What kind of stats do you expect from chainmail? Greatrobes tend to be 52 or so per stat on average I think so wondering what chainmail is like. It is sad that robes would be better protection AND proofable.. would really remove the purpose of having chainmail. So curious if anyone has some stat sets on chainmail. Or some knowledge on em.

Thank you in advance!

(Not sure people generally forge em though.. if thats true then post no one ever asks for em! Would like to see armour variety actually have use!)

There's one public set that can be repeatedly forged:







This isn't much data, but here's a rough idea of what I got after forging each for a few minutes each.






In other words, non robe armors need wub! They need improvement, making the proofable, or increase their armor value. I mean, we have chain mail in the game, the potential is there for neat variety, but it just doesn't get used because there's no reason to depart from robes, especially with proofing.

Now, forging runes could be put on the chainmail, which would spruce it up a wee bit, but that's not really practical given the people who would be wearing it would have to track down a forger, and probably hand them nine pieces of coal (or six, if you only use the blunt/cutting increasing runes) to rune up the whole set.

Malarious, I saw a suggestion you made somewhere else regarding putting new artifact runes on chain mail and the like to boost their armor value and possibly make them more appealing. You excluded fullplate from that, but in doing so, you would basically create a situation where it would be better to have field plate, with an arti rune, and a trans skill somewhere else. fullplate is a trans skill limited to one archetype. It should be good. Heck, I think it should be better than what it is, given it's limitation, and how it's probably easier to balance given those limitations. But, then again, I sunk a lot of lessons into forging to get it, so I'm not going to pretend I can totally be without bias.

I definitely agree though, I love variety and different looks, and there's far too many robes. I bet people could come up with some really great themes for sets of chain! Look how much more description space there is to work with between three items.

Really I would like to see masterwork chain and leather. Either make it proofable and let its physical protetions be on par with robes, so that the choice is more for style, or give it much more substantial physical attributes so players can make a choice between the two.

It would be nice to at least see some variety.

I liked the idea of acrobat users not being able to dodge while in robes making leather armour worthwhile and am still not sure why that isn't the case.

I doubt making robes less effective would be the way to go with chainmail here, but maybe we could think up some benefits to give them. Maybe some sort of blessings that the smith can give them a la Imperian forging, depending on which supernal/demon lord they take them to and such. Perhaps requiring that the person who would be wearing them go along with the smith blessing them to explain why it only seems to work for the casters using chainmail and not all armour.

I hate to say it, but I made an exception on purpose.

If scalemail + armor runes were equal to or greater than fullplate then fullplate would kind of lose its purpose wouldnt it? Any forger can make a knight scalemail, any knight could then rune it for instant trans skill.

Remember armour effects damage but it also effects wounds.. do you really want to see fullplate stats of 130/130? At that point they are taking such low wounds and damage you havent a prayer anyway, there is a point where you will not be able to wound them at all (they wont need sip your damage and so can always apply your wounds off).

The runes were meant to give a boost to chainmail as a 'fix' if you were up to paying. Though really I would rather just see chainmail be robes +10 in stats since you cant proof them. I didnt want to replace fullplate hence why I noted maybe not for scalemail either.

And I agree we need some armour variety

Maybe allow armour to be blessed by Earth Lord/Demon Lord for some minor effect.. or let an enchanter give a enchant to it, like an opiton of...
-Mana regen (like perfection)
-Ego regen (like beauty)
-Health regen (like a less scaling mercy)
-+5 to either cuting or blunt
-Place an enchantment of a normal type on it (make armour enchantable and rechargable so you could use it as a perma item)
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Normal armour could have -1- of these maybe?

Nothing should be exceptionally major but I should hav ea reason to get a forger to make me a nice set of runable chainmail instead of just getting splendours or something (as a note its like 340 credits for me to switch to tailoring then back or so) :/

Allow people to wear chainmail and unenchanted robes at the same time. It would be chainmail + 12/12 stats and proofings.

Let's not give people even more protection against warriors.

I actually think that would be kinda nice..

Tailors continue to get paid for robes and to proof.
Yet forgers can still make the armor.

The overall general armor levels would rise... lets see that would mean total stats of 100 and something. 49/47 would become 61/59 which is semi high but still nowhere near uber high (49/47 is already a high end chainmail.

If we ever do see armor runes (very doubtful that we well, in my opinion), I hope we see a variety of effects and maybe leave out the stat-boosting ones completely. Let's not forget about dwarven runes, which can be etched onto anyone's armor by a smith.

And, stop thinking like such a city dweller! Earth/demon lords and enchanters. Pah!

I think greatrobes should be worse than chain, but chainmail should get a small boost in stats (to about 57/57 average) since greatrobes can have elemental resists and chain cannot. Robes should be 49/49 on average.

I really think chainmail should have higher stats than greatrobes because of proofings benefit if that is what you meant.

Show <3 to the chainmail. Even +5 to +10 over robes would be a nice boost to compensate no 10 dmp to stuff

I say put chain on part with/near splendour. It'd be unproofable so Splendour would still be better.

But splendor robes can be as good as Field Plate, so if thats the case, why bother with my nice shiney knight armor when I can just get some chainmail for 10% the cost?

That's some bad field plate you're wearing.

Was he replying to Nerra?