I am very leery of allowing Ascendants to be more easily resurrected, simply because they do not suffer an xp penalty with death. One of the concerns that was brought up by Matt Mihaly when we were designing Ascendants was that there needs to be some negative consequence to death to deter griefer behavior, and I agree. In this case, it is the 10 minutes Ascendants spend reforming or the essence cost to instantly resurrect. If Ascendants were able to be resurrected easily, that malus would disappear.

Alright. I can't really argue with what you're saying, but I'm also considering that both the timer and xp options are pretty bad compared to demigods - which makes us worse in that sense at going for thrones since we're out of the action or down a lot more essence if we die. I guess deterring griefer behaviour takes priority over that particular thing though...

Moving us to our Nexi so we can have someone to talk to while we wait would still be nice!

Just as a note, it's not that hard to resurrect us in certain circumstances. On Prime, rebirth kicks in (though, admittedly, Ascendants don't do a whole lot of fighting on Prime). Both on and off-Prime, Lich kicks in. Rez/Immolate work if people get our bodies (and rez works on the spot, so can get the Ascendant back into the fight immediately). Resurgem works for the moment, but once the soul-rez aspect goes, it won't. Sacrifice works as well, but requires a Sacraments Demigod to visit the soul at Havens (there are a few) and sacrifice, which is an essence loss for the Demigod.

This means that Magnagora and Celest have the best methods of ignoring the Ascendant reform timer with no further essence lost on the Ascendant. Serenwilde is in third with the current Resurgem allowing it to be used when they die anywhere (on or off Prime), but they'll be last once that goes. Glomdoring's last at present with the Prime-aspect of Rebirth, but it will pass Serenwilde after the MoonAltar change (as we'll have a method on Prime, while they're just stuck).

So... I guess what I'm saying is, some Ascendants are much more easily resurrected than others. Is that intentional?

Regarding what Xenthos is saying, I don't actually seem to drop a body, but Xenthos does, so it's not clear whether we should be rezzable/immolatable or not.

Sojiro did as well-- I returned it to Seren once for immolation.

Yes, death avoidance skills generally work for Ascendants - though there may be a few which don't right now. Post-these-updates, they will probably have an essence cost attached since they are voluntary.

if reform takes long. why not sacrifice some essences in advance for faster reform? that just a idea from my bubble of messy thoughts.

Because it's completely pointless. Reforming takes 15ish minutes, and the essence you burn up to reform takes about 2 hours of constant bashing (assuming Shiri's 500k)-- closer to 1.5 hours at 300k. Either way, it's imbalanced enough that all of us just sit there and wait to reform.

It is the price to pay for not having to bash up to demi first I guess
But yeah there needs to be something inhibiting for the Ascendants, or like Morg said about the griefing could/would ensue.

Yes-- that's why I asked about the disparity between Ascendant-get-'em-uppers.

Thanks for clearing that up. All this time and I've never learned exactly how it works cause I always hear different things or things get changed as I learn them. Anyways, I think in my suggestion for a trueheal change, it would still be okay to have ego completely refilled. But it doesn't really matter at all unless it's decided that trueheal needs a nerf.

Yeah... unfortunately, I am losing essence (xp) on deaths. And spending the full time reforming, too.

Yeah, Nejii said something about him losing a small amount one time too. How much did you lose?

100,000.

Ouch. Probably a bug, though.

You lose xp for heartstopping.

Sheesh, 100,000 essence to kill yourself? That's painful.

(That, and I never noticed any loss heartstopping with Rebirth... hrm.)

Death avoidance trumps the heartstop xp loss, if I remember correctly. The heartstop loss itself is there to prevent an Ascendant from just heartstopping every time they are in trouble to avoid giving their attackers a kill.

Ah. I had figured it was the same as xp-loss-avoidance in that sense, but if it's intentionally coded that way for Ascendants... it's good to know, but I wish I had before I lost 100k. Oh well. Thanks.

How about making the Moon Altar so that it allows people with Moon or Stag to be resurgemed with three people, but disallows non-Moon resurgem? Or, alternatively, it could make non-Moon users resurgemable only with five people. Currently what Estarra said seems to be removing the greatest benefits of the Altar entirely.