Oh, sorry, I missed the context.

Damn I should go to Glom, just for the dex boost.... stupid ass cha boost wont help a dwarf AL


edit- my feelings on phial... wow... crypt was pretty buff, but the tides are a changing now it seems. Looks like a really nice setup... can't wait though to see the same types of posts (aka hate crypt) reversed and the old crypt players ranting about phial users... (yea it will come within a week or so)

But honestly.... you all made out really nice!!

Highly disappointed.

Well, the forums will can't really rant about longnight and choke at the same time. It could be fun to watch, though.

I want to be able to sprinkle undead with the water and shout "THE POWER OF ELOHORA COMPELS YOU" and hurt them!

Remember there was a comittee.

I know Catarin was a part of it... I remember the post that Esty made asking her to head one up.

I don't know who was the Mag sponsor though Thoros and if they weren't thick skinned and brutal, you know they wouldn't be able to compete with the compelling arguments Catty is capable of making.

You need someone who could think on their feet and put it to words quickly, or they would get walked over by the power of Kitty Catty's examples and word composition

(and yes this is not a malicious post, it is actually a praise of how good Catty can be with words, and how compelling she can be. You have to be just as compelling to be able to overcome and gain what you want for your org)

If you guys are disappointed why don't you replace or talk to the Mag rep, write up a proposal and resubmit?

That's actually a really good idae

Having watched the ongoings of the Special Committee quietly and intently, I was very surprised and pleased at how well those who did work worked together - accusing Catarin of being biased is patently unfair, especially for those who weren't a part of the committee.

Make a list.

This change is crap because of this reason. This is unbalanced because of this synergy. Celest has X and yaddah yaddah
unbalanced vs this. I'd like to see a this.

This justification for X ability is full of holes because of XYZ.

Then get someone with data, logic, passion, tenacity and TIME to go the mat for you.

Indeed, accusing Catarin of something as insane as being unbiased is unfair, and that's speaking as someone who was there. She's at least a pliable flavor of biased.

(I joke. It wasn't entirely bad.)

I was the Mag rep. Compelling is one thing, I like good arguments. Catarin built the constructs with a number of nice benefits, that are useful to most people in any organization. To most people in Mag, there are a lot of things in here that are godsends. However:

1) With the Chaos throne, which we never even tried winning for the longest time, insanity generation is cut steeply. With Circlets or Medallions, it's nearly zero. We won't always have the throne, but at this exact moment Darkchant Truth doesn't look valuable. Even though in any other circumstance it would be amazing for astral-related events, including and especially Wildnodes/ Final Stage Ascension. While other orgs are sociopathic, Mag can grab a second wind as easy as dreaming.

2) The XP blessing can't be used by Demigods, even though it's a relatively minor benefit. They don't get additional experience, and they don't need extra essence for anything but death insurance.

3) Viscanti will not be helped by the extra taint regen. I had one suggestion for an alternative from another Demi, and I gave my own suggestion to upgrade Viscanti problems.

So if you're a Viscanti demigod with a Circlet, or planning to be, the only real advantages from the construct at this specific moment are the DMP boost and mental resistances. I said during construction that the construct would be a big benefit for a lot of people, and I stand by that. It's not meant to be a huge construct, just carrying some minor bonuses that could come in handy at the right time.

But would some demigods trade it for just about anything else, including a one minute long weapons boost per RL hour, with a chance of proc every six seconds? Yes, and that's why they're not really happy right now.

EDIT: I need to stress, this isn't a slag on Catarin, and certainly not a slag on the committee. Mag has serious upgrades to bashing and astral events with this construct, and even the mental resists could be useful in combat. This is just a full list of why people are no doubt dissatisfied. Bear in mind, again, that Celest's offensive ability only procs once every six seconds and gives a random effect out of a small list.

To be entirely fair to Catarin, Estarra is the one who wanted the affliction effect put back in after Cat took it out, while riding her pretty hard to get the proposal finalized RIGHT NOW. Discussion of that was cut short.

Now seriously, if you meant accusing her of being biased.... I have no clue who did that. It wasn't me.
But seriously don't sit there with a straight face and say org members are not bias to their own org. We watch it time and time again. We hear about it from the envoys, we see it in posts. When people say that they are completely unbiased you know they are lying.

Everyone is biased towards their own. Its human nature. But seriously if you think my post said I was accusing her of anything, read the bottom. It was not an accusation. Although I guess if you want to hear me say it. Catarin would be biased towards Celest, especially after all the crypt talks and such... Someone like Visaeris would be bias towards Mag. Xenthos would be bias towards Glom and Shuyin would be bias towards Serenwilde.

If any of the people named above tell you otherwise they are blowing smoke up your arse. If Shuyin saw that a construct for Glomdoring was going to end up insanely OP. He would say something and not just let it slide. That is bias, he is looking out for his org. It doesn't mean he is going to try and slip insane OP crap into his own construct (on purpose). It simply means he is bias towards his own org and looking out for its best intrest.

edit- and Karny I like the crypt changes actually, they work... the only downfall I saw was not being able to lichseed non mags which the wording in the construct file seems to indicate you could... That would have been really neat to do, especially RP wise. It was a really neat idea. Ah well....

I need to stress that I'm being fair. They didn't have a whole lot of options, and we were running short on time. If anything, I was trying to stress the number of circumstances where we'd have a greater advantage over the offensive effect.

EDIT: Ildy-skates, I had no input or control whatsoever to the lich changes. Take that up directly with the Boss Lady if you are so inclined.

Everything looks like a lot of fun, thank you to all involved for your hard work!

My only sorta dissatisfaction is with the +cha and +dex assignments. They seem pretty arbitary, and both are useful mostly to a narrow group.

How about letting us pick somehow? Or something more universally useful, like con?

It'd be too awesome if it were strength, int, or con.

People want constructs to be nice, but it also shouldn't make people feel that they "need" it.

We should've asked for moondance aura for all moonchildren too, in hindsight, ah well, maybe next construct review.

Edit: I think faster than I type

Oh the seed thing, yeah I don't care really. It just would have been cool and I swore I read somewhere about that as an idea to "infect" people with the seed or something... anyways no worries about it... the boss lady will do what she wants. It all works out.




Hehe, you shoulda got us dex not cha us dwarves need dex whenever we can get it well igashos too, they suck with dex.

That one has a story, kind of. We (Seren) wanted a minor benefit for being in a coven to kind of tie the "can be in covens" bit together - +1cha seemed to fit the bill and no better options were obvious. The Glooms were kind of short on ideas, so they copied it and made it dex so it wasn't directly parallel. Then they decided it'd be better if it wasn't in a coven. Then somewhere along the line someone thought it'd be fairer to have the cha bonus for Serenwilde not related to a coven either.

So it ended up being pretty random. It wasn't supposed to be a selectable stat boost originally.

Someone post the new AB file for transmigration? I want to see what kind of benefits the animals give now.