QUOTE(Ildaudid @ May 22 2008, 07:36 PM) 514546
Damn I should go to Glom, just for the dex boost.... stupid ass cha boost wont help a dwarf AL 
edit- my feelings on phial... wow... crypt was pretty buff, but the tides are a changing now it seems. Looks like a really nice setup... can't wait though to see the same types of posts (aka hate crypt) reversed and the old crypt players ranting about phial users... (yea it will come within a week or so)
But honestly.... you all made out really nice!!
edit- my feelings on phial... wow... crypt was pretty buff, but the tides are a changing now it seems. Looks like a really nice setup... can't wait though to see the same types of posts (aka hate crypt) reversed and the old crypt players ranting about phial users... (yea it will come within a week or so)
But honestly.... you all made out really nice!!
Yes, Celest did make out really nice. It seems like Mag got the shaft, but I don't think they did. No comment on the commune constructs because I keep my nose out of commune stuff.
The reason Celest 'made out nice' is because our last construct sucked. It was okay, but phial is definitely drool-worthy after it. Mag seems to hate it because now they can't lich constantly.
Overall I am pretty happy with the result. I expect to see Mags not using lich as often, but I think it would be good for them. Maybe they will get a few more ur'guard and some more nihilists because of the change. Although I would like to see a ban on lichseed (such as, only being able to lichseed once a lusternian month), that's just the anger in me talking.
QUOTE(Karnagan @ May 22 2008, 09:36 PM) 514582
I was the Mag rep. Compelling is one thing, I like good arguments. Catarin built the constructs with a number of nice benefits, that are useful to most people in any organization. To most people in Mag, there are a lot of things in here that are godsends. However:
1) With the Chaos throne, which we never even tried winning for the longest time, insanity generation is cut steeply. With Circlets or Medallions, it's nearly zero. We won't always have the throne, but at this exact moment Darkchant Truth doesn't look valuable. Even though in any other circumstance it would be amazing for astral-related events, including and especially Wildnodes/ Final Stage Ascension. While other orgs are sociopathic, Mag can grab a second wind as easy as dreaming.
2) The XP blessing can't be used by Demigods, even though it's a relatively minor benefit. They don't get additional experience, and they don't need extra essence for anything but death insurance.
3) Viscanti will not be helped by the extra taint regen. I had one suggestion for an alternative from another Demi, and I gave my own suggestion to upgrade Viscanti problems.
So if you're a Viscanti demigod with a Circlet, or planning to be, the only real advantages from the construct at this specific moment are the DMP boost and mental resistances. I said during construction that the construct would be a big benefit for a lot of people, and I stand by that. It's not meant to be a huge construct, just carrying some minor bonuses that could come in handy at the right time.
But would some demigods trade it for just about anything else, including a one minute long weapons boost per RL hour, with a chance of proc every six seconds? Yes, and that's why they're not really happy right now.
EDIT: I need to stress, this isn't a slag on Catarin, and certainly not a slag on the committee. Mag has serious upgrades to bashing and astral events with this construct, and even the mental resists could be useful in combat. This is just a full list of why people are no doubt dissatisfied. Bear in mind, again, that Celest's offensive ability only procs once every six seconds and gives a random effect out of a small list.
1) With the Chaos throne, which we never even tried winning for the longest time, insanity generation is cut steeply. With Circlets or Medallions, it's nearly zero. We won't always have the throne, but at this exact moment Darkchant Truth doesn't look valuable. Even though in any other circumstance it would be amazing for astral-related events, including and especially Wildnodes/ Final Stage Ascension. While other orgs are sociopathic, Mag can grab a second wind as easy as dreaming.
2) The XP blessing can't be used by Demigods, even though it's a relatively minor benefit. They don't get additional experience, and they don't need extra essence for anything but death insurance.
3) Viscanti will not be helped by the extra taint regen. I had one suggestion for an alternative from another Demi, and I gave my own suggestion to upgrade Viscanti problems.
So if you're a Viscanti demigod with a Circlet, or planning to be, the only real advantages from the construct at this specific moment are the DMP boost and mental resistances. I said during construction that the construct would be a big benefit for a lot of people, and I stand by that. It's not meant to be a huge construct, just carrying some minor bonuses that could come in handy at the right time.
But would some demigods trade it for just about anything else, including a one minute long weapons boost per RL hour, with a chance of proc every six seconds? Yes, and that's why they're not really happy right now.
EDIT: I need to stress, this isn't a slag on Catarin, and certainly not a slag on the committee. Mag has serious upgrades to bashing and astral events with this construct, and even the mental resists could be useful in combat. This is just a full list of why people are no doubt dissatisfied. Bear in mind, again, that Celest's offensive ability only procs once every six seconds and gives a random effect out of a small list.
Karnagan, you did an excellent job with evening out the constructs, and you have done a great job keeping in mind that constructs are not meant to give everyone easy mode, but rather be a nice convenience. So, thanks!
QUOTE(Ildaudid @ May 22 2008, 09:43 PM) 514585
edit- and Karny I like the crypt changes actually, they work... the only downfall I saw was not being able to lichseed non mags which the wording in the construct file seems to indicate you could... That would have been really neat to do, especially RP wise. It was a really neat idea. Ah well....
It did sound like you were accusing Catarin of being biased.
And forcing lichseed on Celestians would not be cool... you can figure out a different way to RP that sort of stuff. That'd piss me off.
QUOTE(Estarra @ May 23 2008, 01:42 AM) 514601
We were strongly considering being able to plant seeds in others until we realized it would be possible for someone to have 5 levels of death avoidance at once, so we decided against it.
Woot, I knew I saw that somewhere!!
Yeah you have a good point there, 5 levels is a bit much if you think about it. I wonder though, say you setup stacked (get outta death free skills) Could it be coded so that it only avoids a max of say 3 (main death, vitae death, lich death) so it wasnt able to stack 5. I think the seeding of people would be neat, and if it was made so it could be removed realitively simply... maybe by doing some small quest thing or using a diseased liver thing from the place with the sharks to cure it.
One last question for you.
The resurgem thing is a little confusing though... from reading it I get the impression we (Seren) can resurgem any person from any org? Like if I wanted to rezz Aison, a coven could rezz her?
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@Aison, nah I wasn't trying to imply biasness when I posted that... I already knew she was biased, but like I explained earlier, she might be like Shuyin.... just see things that might be a bit much for another org. Deep down, even if she doesn't act on it... we can rest assured that she would have been thinking of things that could make her construct the best.... even if it was subconciously motivated.... but that is just being human and I in no way think she is bad because of it. Hell if I was doing something for Seren, like helping design something, I may not pay as much attention to city designs but I am sure I would pay attention to the Glom design to make sure it didn't end up too OP. Its just a simple truth everyone is biased towards their own orgs here. And there is nothing wrong with that at all. (Although it poses a problem on some other things, but that has nothing to do with this topic though and it happens alot less than it used to.)
