More demis/ascendants comment please.

The only real drawback of ascendants was the 15 min respawn time. With the change that is largely avoidable. Ascendants get amazing powers sure, but they shouldn't have zero drawbacks.

I don't see why you would be expending power to give anyone a drawback. The best you could say is that they shouldn't have an advantage on any given metric. In this case they don't - they're disadvantaged.

The 15-minute reform thing is an interesting idea when everyone has to go through it, but in situations where you would need to be back quickly (most PK) it's bothersome when you do and others don't. They lose the same amount of XP as a demigod when resurgemmed/liched/darkrebirthed, etc., so there's no problem there.

Can't the 15-minute reform be entirely averted by having enough essence on hand for phoenix? I thought that was how it worked. I mean, I know you guys have a LOT more use for essence, but there should be a damn good penalty for ignoring the costs of such a death.

As for auto-phoenix, I'd be up for making it something that can be toggled, a bit like:

and



Though that might be stepping on the power of the Fates a bit too closely.

Else, I'd rather just have auto-phoenix, especially if conglutinate doesn't automatically raise you like everyone else. If I die while bashing, it will be due to my router acting up, which can sometimes take a good while to get back on track. I'd hate to die in some obscure place and lose loads of essence because no one can get my corpse and I can't phoenix.

I'd like it to be something that can be toggled on and off rather than having to actively type phoenix. Otherwise I have no real problems with the change as it addresses the problems nicely.

Dear Serenwilde,

Resurrect and sacrifice cost 10p for everyone except Celestines and most Paladins. You still spend less power in the end.

Sincerely,
Xavius


Dear Magnagora,

Resurrect and sacrifice require having a sufficiently trained sacraments user in the room with you after you die. You need to find one at some point between deaths. You're still less likely to not have the help you need to avoid praying.

Sincerely,
Xavius

How about the suggestion to shift the power cost to the victim? I don't care either way but you don't seem to cover that possibility.

Yeah, and on top of that the person giving the lichseed doesn't lose experience.

EDIT @Ragniliff: You would be right if the high phoenix cost for ascendants was equal to the cost for demigods. Instead it's much higher. So either you wait a long long time or you lose 5 times as much. Both are unattractive in many situations.

Getting rezzed brings in a 3rd option, of course, but in the absence of those ascendants are worse off.

So long as they have 10p in their prompt on death, that would be nice.

Why? So you can cast it faster? See above.

Right but I guess what I'm hearing from some in Mag is "Celest got a combat applicable thing, we'd like a combat applicable thing."

Karnagan is a fair minded individual. It appears Mags perks are more defensive/utility in nature than offensive, and not everyone likes that approach though it may balance.

Agree @ Eventru with regards to "Mag got Lich its time to suffer now bitches" should NOT be the mindset of anyone in the balancing process, or used as an argument for the phial. I do not think it is the case here.


Rave:
The Shield and Allheal retained with the phial.

Edit: You put a lot of work into this Karnagan I'm not trying to mitigate the effort or time you put in.

Ha this is kinda funny.

If you go back and look at the original construct threads. Celest was mad because they had nothing they thought would be good for PvP. Also they were mad because their demi's couldn't use their construct.

Now.... it is just the opposite.

So I am getting the feeling we didn't balance, we ended up leaning in the opposite direction instead.


@Eventru: Yea you are right, anyone who thinks Celest should deserve an OP construct because they didn't have one is just batty. That isn't what balance is about.

@Magnagora: I agree you all should have at least one thing applicable to be useful in PvP Combat like Celest has. Anything that gives one org a PvP advantage without giving its polar opposite some type of similiar PvP advantage instantly becomes the dominant construct of the two.

I am not sure what you all could do. The easiest thing I see would be not to upgrade crypt but to downgrade font. And make it have no PvP combat use at all. That way we don't run into the whole next wave of tipping the scales thread.

But until something is done no matter how many utilities a construct has, the one that has combat PvP potential is and always will remain the dominant one, since it can be used against others.

I dunno. I would consider a 15% chance to resist *all* mental afflictions all the time passively at no cost to be kind of nice in PvP. Especially given the severe restrictions on the power to "do something" to another person with the sip phial.

Does this mean I have to actually PK now?

I guess this means I really need to start working hard to get a system up.

Agreed. Who wouldn't want to resist stupidity/anorexia combo by 15%?

But the concept is defensive vs offensive. That is the issue.

I wouldn't mind if Black Crypt's Adroitness was switched to some means of refreshing willpower/endurance since with exp cost to lich death we cannot do that through heartstop anymore. The Font has such a power so I don't see this posing a problem, we're on an even field now with both our deaths costing exp and both having heavy willpower/endurance draining skills (Astrology! ). The only difference now is that Celest (don't recall about commune constructs) has the ability to refresh it and we do not. Being able to use it once a month really suffices as I hardly ever find myself needing to do it more than this once.

That or lower willpower/endurance costs from spheres!

You aren't leaving Demis and Viscanti out, you get extra DMP and resistance to mental affs.

And who used praying to Elohora aside of newbies? That was always a last-resort thing, and I don't think rubbing the phial is going to be that big of a deal.

If the sipping phial affects combat too much, I'm sure it will get nerfed, which is fair enough.




Demis do get buffs from the crypt. You are just being stubborn.

And an essence-loss was needed for demis. Essence basically meant nothing, but now it will mean something, like experience.

I used it.

Well, you are special. It was useful in some cases, but most of the time it was better to run or trueheal/serpent.

You are assuming all fighters/members of Celest have these skills and have them transed. To my knowledge Monks, Mages and Bards do not have access to these skills.

Its useful, keep it in.

It use to be the case that you could heart stop for Lich and regain all wp which as I mentioned previously is a tremendous advantage for a dreamweaver. Now that Lich costs exp I wouldn't mind a will/endurance replenishment for mag.

Whoa, whoa, I wasn't saying take it out . Just that praying to Elohora wasn't often used among combatants. Occasionally it was useful, but mostly to newbies or people with poor curing.