Only going from what I heard, but it's a 5% exp bonus, twice a day.

And the curing astral insanity I think only cures you of one level. It brought me from highly neurotic to neurotic, the chaos throne was not effect me at this time.

How is that relevant? I'm not saying... give us back no xp deaths I'm saying... someone please take this into consideration and think of the consequences of this change. I don't -really- mind the RP idea of having to pay in blood for bestowed powers (as useless as Ashtorath's powers are and he's the main brute over there) but I really doubt that this was the idea when the concept was implemented. Later on Nihilists would learn to avoid the consequences in xp and now this simply is not the case.

@Silvanus: One insanity level is a pretty big deal, in my opinion.



It's relevant because you can get your "blood" back faster than anyone else, even if it's only 5% (10% on tainted ground) faster.
Also does conglutination help? I understand that conglute still loses you xp, but it's far far less.

Jackass devil's advocate aside, I think it's good that they removed the no-xp-loss deaths, but this really is an unfortunate side effect. I think it'd be better if they removed both the dying to the demon lords (instead have them cause something else RP-significant, like 200 bleeding) and the xp-bonus from the Mag construct, replacing it with something more universally acceptable and staying far far away from the touchy subject of XP... Perhaps something like the ability to consume self to restore hunger? I don't know. If my knowledge serves, I think that the demon pits sometimes afflict too, though I might be wrong on this account.

Their pact attacks were already downgraded years ago. They are nowhere near as strong as a true attack if you were to try to kill a Demon Lord. They hurt, but are entirely survivable with the proper preparation.

Only problem with this is that you will have to change your rituals.

You don't have vials of holy water, you have phials of holy water!

Oh, I was always under the assumption that they were instant death. Thanks for the clarification!

Because it seems there are some mis-understandings:

The XP bonus from the construct is 5% outside of taint, 10% inside. Yes, this does affect demigod/ascendant essence gain. Yes, it stacks with all other essence gains, harmony, autumn, etcetera.

The insanity healing is relative to your current level of insanity. That is to say, it heals half of the insanity you have - roughly 50%.

Yes, the mental affliction stacks with Chaos Seal Blessing.

Yes, you can get your phial back very easily - if it's stolen, it's very temporary.

It affects essence gain? AND stacks with other things? Well.

I know but... I must obviously suck if I cannot take on Ashtorath's backhand even with spheres and cannibalised mana Nifilhema does heavy bleeding, Grogulu if I recall gives a lethal poison, curable, Ashtorath has always been a straight death for me even with preparation and so has been Baalphegar.

As I said, I understand the RP value but this will be REALLY irritating and for the record, being able to get it back 'quicker' with the construct < having to do it at all.

Hrm. The phial is weird.

In order for the SIP PHIAL ability to proc, you must have phial balance. It also consumes phial balance, which means if the sip procs, you can't use the other two abilities for 6 seconds. Bleh. It won't even start working until you've recovered phial balance from using SIP PHIAL. In a practicality test against Pharamon, where I had the absolute upper hand (was attacking on schedule), I saw the phial proc 7 times. *flees to go test some more*

Oh no!



You are a level 84 Female Archlich Master Viscanti and you can't find a way to survive pacting with demon lords?

Will you conglut or will you have to pray?

Would someone be able to get your corpse and immolate you?

As a player, I can sympathise that it sounds like a big pain in the ass. From an RP perspective, DLs are not nice like the Supernals and I think your character should be quite happy to die for them.

And, with your construct's xp bonus + harmony blessing + harmony domoth + the optional human/autumn, getting back any xp you lose won't be too difficult. Just bash Astral for a bit. Yeah it's a pain, but it's not like you can't bash for 30 minutes and get all of it back, plus some.

Nihilists don't get autumn Aison.

And I think you might be irked too if you were in the only guild that lost xp to pact with your lords. But that is an assumption I might be wrong. I know I would be, especially if I was say level 98 and lost exp to pact. It takes a bit longer to gain back exp from that high up (although she isn't that high up), and I don't think I should have to gain back exp to pact when no other guild has to lose exp to use their skills.

This isn't about the RP at all, I already said I'm fine with that aspect and have always been against reflections for pacting. What I am against is, as Ildaudid said, being the only Guild that has to lose xp to get their pacts and use their skills. And trust me, when I have to re-pact, I -also- have to re-deeppact most of the time which means I have no symbol to bash with. And no, as lvl84 with splendours I can't take on Ashtorath's damage...

Or. Just. Get. Reflected.

Actually, magnify your RP and sip anatine, then Omen yourself before pacting.

The problem is though, why should one guild out of all of them have to rely on someone to reflect for them when they need to pact? I know it is the simple solution and while I agree getting reflected is the thing to do for now. I don't think they should have to rely on another guild just to pact without xp loss.

Most of them were laughable, but I know two of the Demon Lords killed fully-deffed me in one hit on the pact attack. I'm not positive which ones, but I want to say Baalphegar and Ashtorath. Maybe you could look into this?

EDIT: From what Nariah was saying it looks like I'm right and it was indeed Baal and Ash that were doing a ton.

I had to have 9000 health (give or take some) with cannibalize in order to survive Ashtorath and Baalphegar's pacting when I was a demigod Nihilist.

My point was that advocating martyrdom with a perfectly viable workaround is asinine, not that the Demon Lords shouldn't be changed.

My suggestion for power complaints on both lich/resurgem:

Have it take out of reserves instead of prompt power.

Or just suck it up. Do your other defs come out of your reserves? Haven't resurrections costing power been fine since open beta, with no complaints at all by the affected parties?