Um you can trueheal behind anything now. Pinleg, crucification, and in any condition. Your argument is moot. Trueheal has no weakness now, as long as you have the power for it.

Remove the eye sigil weakness of lichdom, please. Now that Celestines can trueheal under any condition, a lich can attempt escape under any condition as well.

Still have to writhe off. Also, sleep and unconsciousness stop it. Can't trueheal if stunned either, lest I forget. To further enlighten you, trueheal does not cure - hunger, tiredness, ego, does not cure any form of impalements besides web or ropes. That is, if someone trueheals while pinned/impaled/transfixed/crucified, they HAVE to writhe. They are also without power.

Offensively in Necromancy: Drain (being downgraded), Omen, ectoplasm, contagion (downgraded). Sacrifice is useless, Crucify is useable, probably more so then Contagion or Drain. Lichdom and Ghost are the only two defensive abilities worth mentioning.

What does Sacrements have that makes it so much worse then Necromancy?

I think that Lich/Trueheal (Sacraments/Necromancy) is like Axekick or Tripblock in Achaea, every time someone mentions anything even remotely relating to combat, someone brings up lich/trueheal. The same people offer the same arguments, to the same moot conclusion.

That being said, I wish I were more able to understand the nature of these changes. But since I'm a nub, I do not, so I'll just echo what seems to be the common opinion and say cool changes.

Contagion got downgraded? I could have sworn it was upgraded to last longer. Anyhow, I'm not in the mood to go down the list of items sacraments has had downgraded/changed/removed. Envoys are still looking for a way to make ablution and lustration useful.

I am all for removing Trueheal, if we are then given some ability similar to weapon aura or lich (with all of the accompanying perks). Being able to Trueheal when needed can save your butt, but keeping 10 power on the prompt or enough power to regenerate it to 10 in time (remember even at trans discipline the regen rate is 1 power every 8 seconds) can really kill your offense. So yes, I will support an idea to remove Trueheal, as long as Sacraments then receives something that is equal to what Necromancy, Moon, or Night has at Trans.

I do have a question about how these changes will affect people with essence levels. Will essence users benefit from the experience mitigation of the abilities? I ask, because again Celest and Serenwilde essence users do not have any sort of protection in that regard. Vitae does not work for them, and they can’t be resurrected or sacrificed for. So people may think I am being mean spirited for believing this, but I think the experience loss reduction of Lich and Dark rebirth should not cover essence users (Demigods and Ascendants)

I agree with this. If we are attempting to bring some balance to death mitigation across the board, it should only be in regards to non demi/ascendants. Once you hit demi/ascendant everyone is in the same boat.

Heh I would hope that Demigods get the essence mitigation. YOur transcendent Sacraments skill does not go useless when you achieve Demigod. It would not be fair for my transcendent Necromancy skill to become semi useless just because I felt the need to achieve level 100.

And now, when a Mag dies, they lose XP. That's not the issue, so you can't use that as an argument. Nor is "it has been nerfed before." We are dealing with a new situation. The fact that you are so drastically devaluing trueheal shows how really biased you are. What does Mag have that is remotely comparable? Ghost? That's the issue Celest has been whining about for so long right? Mags don't lose XP when they die but Celestians do? That's been fixed. Now Sacraments users have an amazing escape skill that Mag is without. This is me complaining so that admin will put together a panel to look at it and I offer my totally unbiased self to head it up. (sarcasm)

/bitter

But really, Celest is coming out far ahead in this little exchange.

I agree with Geb concerning demigods and ascendents not being protected in such manners.

As an addition while somewhat on the subject, let's amp up essence loss for demigods in general as well.

You agree because you lack the experience mitigation skills.

You reak with bias.

My trans planar skill becomes completely useless. Various benefits to being a sacraments user become useless i.e. that it costs less to resurrect or sacrifice for me. My xp loss mitigation - that I CAN be resurrected or sacrificed for becomes useless. Lich still has uses for you.

If that is the case then, Lichdom should not give experience mitigation, instead, I would rather have more offense, knowing that being a Demigod negates any bonus your transcendent skill has to offer.

There are still benefits to lichdom and Mag demigods/ascendants still come out on top. They'd be losing less than others. I think it should be even across the board, in that respect. I've already explained the drawbacks to trueheal. And please stop tossing around the word 'biased'. You're as biased as they come. Keep your whiny crap in the idiots section. I'm trying to have a discussion.

Lolwut?

Anyways, I agree with Geb on envoys finding something new for trueheal now. Not a nerf, because a healing skill that takes 10p from the prompt needs to be powerful, but something new.

Planar is a common skill which everybody has access to. You apparently like to argue about useless arguments.

Rez/Sacrifice wouldn't be useless if Demigods didn't instarez and left corpses behind now, would it?

Heh, okay, whatever Thoros

Since Lichdom and Trueheal have to be equal.

Now that Lichdom has exp loss, make using TrueHeal have exp loss to.

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And you are an envoy? Wow.

Here is my suggestion for TrueHeal (not many would care ):

When you die, if you have TrueHeal, you get resurrected with Serpent for 10-15 seconds to get away (or however long Lich ghosting around is). Basically SoulCage from any of the other IREs.