Here is a simple solution. Change Phoenix into a skill the Demigod has to activate, instead of keeping it automatic like it is now. The Demigod still reforms up in the Havens if used, but now the Demigod can sit around wait for a sacrifice, resurgem, or resurrection. Either way, the person is out of the fight until life is restored.

... Perhaps you should have mentioned that you are forced to sit up there as a soul. Since I am not an Ascendant, I did not know that fact. That is why it is best to not assume everyone understands your abilities, when there are so few of you with them.

Yep. It's the perfect solution, too.

What happens if they can't be sacrificed, resurgemed, or resurrected and they haven't activated phoenix?

So a demigod who dies can just remain a soul indefinitely until deciding to phoenix?

Can that be at all abused? (I don't know, I'm asking.)

Perhaps it can be constantly active skill, but you are given the choice and, like experience, your essence drains once your mana is 0

Add essence drain! I do believe there was some mention of wanting to treat essence in a manner equivalent to EXP, so this would be the perfect solution.

Could set mana to... 2000 on death or something, and then have the normal mana drain. With essence loss if it hits 0. So there's time for a quick resurgem/sacrifice/rez, but you're not doing it to run around an enemy org as a soul for a while. Since phoenix takes you to the Vault of Heaven, it's not like you can choose where you reform.

This is a good proposed solution, imo.

Yep, pretty much what they said is fine.

Just make sure that Ascendants aren't losing essence when we hit 0, since with 15 minutes of reform time, we always hit 0 no matter what we started at.

It would suck for those who d/c alot, and are stuck as a soul in the Vault just losing essence.....

Souls have a faster timeout.

Ascendants are a bit different since you don't suffer essence loss unless you choose to resurrect instantly (or you are vengeanced by the Avenger).

I agree with this also, and as far as demigods sitting around indefinitely, a timer of sorts can just be coded, couple minutes should be good.

Actually, Celest is hardly being touched in this little exchange save for we lose the benefits of free resurrections, but with the Harmony Spire, I don't forsee that being too much of an issue. Magnagora, on the other hand, is undergoing a rebalancing. Also, it's kind of shortsighted to only be comparing the trans skills. Taking the skillsets side by side, I personally feel that Necromancy is a shade more on the offensive side (if you say Inquisition I -will- hunt you down and stab you) and Sacraments is a bit more on the defensive side, in terms of skills that I actually use. Yes I feel justified in commenting because I have played with both skillsets. Think about the most often used skills in Sacraments, both PVP and PVE. Numen, benediction, honour, trueheal. All defensive in nature. On the Necromancy side, we have Omen, ectoplasm, contagion, drain, disfigure, crucify. These are all generally offensive in nature. True, each set has a little offensive and a little defensive power (fervor, putrefecation) but they're not the main points of those skillsets.



I'm not going to respond to this on the grounds that my reply can only be a brutal personal attack.

We do take essence loss from the Avenger? Interesting.

Yes, I just wanted to make sure that it wasn't a blanket change, and wanted to point out that some of these skills are much better for getting an Ascendant back up quickly without essence loss than others (so while the experience thing is key, ability to get someone back up quickly will be as well as the game advances).

So like we don't actually trans-migrate- anymore? I thought the point of that in the first place was to take you out of the dangerous area.. after transmigration denizens are still aggressive towards you

Am I understanding this correctly?

When someone with lichseed dies, they will now hang around as a soul for a while, then reform as a lich/archlich at a minor exp cost, off eq, with 0 power? Not seeing much point to using this unless you are an archlich. Maybe if you came back on eq, it would be good.

What exactly would the difference between having the crypt and not having it be? Can archliches lichseed others without it? Do they still become archliches? What about coldaura? Could the crypt give the RP effect mentioned in the construct ideas thread? Pretty please?

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Vampirism?