I wasn't being serious. Hence FTW.

You might as well say that everything is immortal then, which is clearly not the case.

All that book is claiming is conservation of energy.

That's not true. The Elders that were destroyed in the Daath Sequence didn't come back. Why? Because their essence was eaten by the Soulless. That's that whole 'Excoroperditio is anathema to Immanidivinus' thing in action.

The weaker soulless also didn't come back! Just the larger ones. And xyl seems to imply that its brand new guys anyways. (who is to say that kethuru didn't escape the blast the way the elders did?)

I was under the assumption that the Soulless could not be destroyed due to Dynara and Magnora no longer being present in reality, thus making creation and destruction ultimately impossible. With Estarra returned, this would not necessarily be the case any longer.

On the other hand, the excoroperditio would certainly be a reasonable explanation both for the longevity of the Soulless and their resistance to destruction.

They were destroyable, and still are-- but Creation (well, the world of Lusternia at least) would go with them now that the remaining ones are bound to this world. Estarra had to stop killing Kethuru because to kill him would destroy Lusternia.

It certainly doesn't mean he's immortal, just that Estarra wanted to find another way to save all us little folks.

That was why they couldn't be destroyed back during the Elder Wars. Now that they've spent several dozen millenia consuming vast amounts of creation, the reason they can't be destroyed by Estarra is because they've all taken so much of said creation into themselves that they're basically one in the same.

To think of it visually, imagine Lusternia as an onion. Prime, Ethereal, etc, all the way up to Astral, and just on the other side of Astral, you have big bad Kethuru wrapped around the whole bit, trying to find any little crack he can slip through. That's why the Elders need the Fulcrux Beacon to get in and out of Lusternia.

Edit: G'dammit, Xenthos!

Right, I'm aware that's the reason they cannot be destroyed now. Tekora seemed to be saying they couldn't be destroyed in the Elder Wars simply because of the excoroperditio force being the manifestation of destruction. Apologies if I misread.

Interesting twist.

I had always read those statements to mean that destructions(magnora) is also a part of creation(reality) and can't be remove from it. ( like it would trying to remove the feeling from your stomach just to get rid of stomach aches.)

I really really enjoy talking to people about Cara's race. But no on really asks him in game...

People are too busy pretending to hate you to ask.

I recall reading somewhere that the reason Keth can't be destroyed was because his Taint had affected the Earth. If he was destroyed, the Taint would be also. The Earth Plane, which thrives in the Taint, would crumble. No Earth = bye bye Lusternia as we know it.

So, Kethuru and the other Soulless are now so tied with Lusternia itself that removing them would be destroying the world.

There's effectively no air or fire plane, but there's still air and wind and flame and smoke. I don't think the elemental planes are required for the prime plane to exist.

I see it as less acedemic than that. The taint, and the soulless, are part of what Lusternia is. Estarra is creation and destruction, but doesn't have true absolute power to reshape that which already exists. I think the soulless could be destroyed, and even the taint destroyed- just not by Esterra's energies, as her doing so would destroy all of what Lusternia is. To alter Lusternia in such a way, it must come internally.

I took it as "Destroying Kethuru would take such a big blast that it would blow up creation as well."

I agree. Perhaps why the Elder Gods thought splintering was a good idea.



It was destroyed, or it doesn't exist?
If Gaudi/Hal ever came back I'd expect it to come with.

This is hairy too. We don't really know what it means for planes to intersect, or what "plane" means. We do know that Air and Fire no longer intersect with Prime or Ethereal, and that Vortex no longer intersects with Astral. (As far as I know, we don't know where the Hallifax nexus is on Astral.)

There's no "canon" AFAIK, but the explanation I've been given by two gods was that planes are like sheets of paper stacked on top of each other and nexi are needles going through them (i.e the intersections.) Presumably the air sheet of paper just got moved.

Would be interesting, instead of swimming you'd need to fly everywhere.

Hey, I'm cool with it

Hehehe! I totally wrote that book. It was an IC explanation from my character's POV based on her study and research. It's prolly completely wrong, if you look at it OOCly, of course, but it was the conclusion she came to.