Cities have Enchantments. I'd like to see Commune vs. Cities thing, though.

But it's a problem, since I can't see how Celest/Mag could come together (they have no intersecting planes, unlike Seren and Glom with Faethorn). Or, Communes vs. Celest vs. Mag. Lovely.

There was once a Communes vs. Celest vs. Magnagora conflict, but that was an event. The elements started freaking out and were causing disasters on faethorn when some tainted aeromancers were dreamweaving-possessing the Water/Earth lords. Maeve threw a fit, ordered the communes to attack them, yada yada. It eventually got so ridiculous that people were tired of having their politics being forced around like that and we did the 'magic memory dust' and had everyone unenemied by the end of it. (Except for Magnagora, they're just arses like that.)

Oddly enough, I got enemied to Faethorn and then Moonspirit during that (I'm a Seren, mind) and Selene started screaming for everyone to cut my head off. Such a kind mother, she is.

'Glomdorwilde' has few things in common. One of them a 'love' ( @ Gloms /forumrp) for the Faethorn and fae in general. When Maeve tells us she wants us to help her with something, it pretty much means 'do it or you might not see us helping you any further'. So as far as choice goes, the forests really didn't have any in how things played out.

That's an assumption though. Did you clarify?

Basically, if the Fae are in danger, Serenwilde and Glomdoring will work together until the threat is gone, as both sides would rather the Fae be free of the cities and instead serve the Forests-- even if it is in vastly different ways. But the reverence of the Fae is universal to the Forests.

Also, just checked on Raziela on Celestia. She is quite afraid and wounded, but if you mention Fae, she'll talk about how she used to help them, then get suddenly sad and a bit cautious, adding that she doesn't do that anymore. It's kind of a sad, pathetic sight.

Mrh. I see. It seems that the issue is in the design, trying to communicate with players they have a choice in the issue without being overt about it.
Enough of the commune players say that if Maeve says 'I'd like you to do this' its pretty much divine mandate that I believe that is how the message is being received. Everiine how would you evaluate the same situation if some other Faethorn NPC said 'Yeah but Raziela hasn't dragged us off to be angels for a while.'

Well, Everiine would say "So, Maeve said something-- not my Queen, I don't have to follow it". But, as the plea brought up was "Hey, if you help us, Raziela won't be able to torture us and destroy us", he had no issue at all with the Song being sung to her. It's like walking into New Celest and saying "Hey, if you help us, the Supernals can't be killed". Would you respond "No thanks, they haven't all died in a while" and not take the offer?

Very good point.

It seemed pretty blatantly obvious that something terrible was going to happen.
Hence why I laughed OOC when people were like "our allegiance isn't to Maeve we don't know if anythings going to happen yet."

Then people spout off this nonsense after saying they don't support it.
"Oh, I care about the fae so much".
Ugh, so fake. Not pointing fingers or anything though, just was a little annoyed.

Our allegiance isn't to Queen Maeve-- there have been fierce debates in the Serenwilde about whether serving the Fae means bowing to the will of the Maeve at all times, and the general consensus has been while Maeve has authority over the Fae in Faethorn as ruler, she does NOT have authority over the Seren whom they serve. Keeping Raziela from destroying Fae is far less about "Maeve told us to" and far more about "This will keep the city from taking the Fae in the first place". We've defied Maeve before, and we'd do it again if we thought she wasn't right. This time was not one of those times.

I have the feeling that this 'way to free her' was about as possible a fixing Xion when it first opened, and we all know how that turned out...

(for those who don't know, the summary is something along the lines of BOOM!)

Sounds fun Much like what I hear about Ialie's disastrous first attempt in aetherships

That was a fun ride.

Maeve is Faethorn, Fathorn is a part of Ethereal Serenwilde, Ethereal Serenwilde is part of not only Serenwilde but the Moonhart Tree.
Just my opinion. While we don't need to bow to her, shes a pretty important part of Serenwilde's culture, moreso the fae than her but...you get the idea. I see Serenwilde as the nurturing forest that should give a flying crap about the affairs of Faethorn, unfortunately throughout the event people displayed a "holy than thou" attitude that was quite a slap in the face to people who actually DO care about Faethorn IC or not. Very dissapointed.

This is not correct.

Faethorn is as much a part of ethereal serenwilde, as spectre isle is a part of Celest. (actually there is probabbly even less connection than that)

The conflict goes very far back. If I remember correctly, Queen Maeve wanted both Glomdoring and Serenwilde to not bring Fae to the EtherGlom/Wilde, and there was a fierce debate on whether we should anyway "for their own good" or bow to the wishes of Queen Maeve. I don't know for sure if the debate was ever truly settled, but there were two opinions-- that the Fae of Faethorn were under the jurisdiction of Queen Maeve and therefore should have their wishes respected, and the other was that Queen Maeve didn't know what she was talking about and we should take the Fae anyway (since for Serenwilde they seem to willingly come) since we were protecting them. Already the split formed and trust eroded in Queen Maeve.

While the Fae are pivotal to Serenwilde culture, Queen Maeve herself because she shows no partiality is not particularly liked in many circles in the Serenwilde. She is seen more often than not a hinderance than a help. She has shown poor judgement in the past that she does not acknowledge (the Shadowfae, the Aeromancer debacle) and, as far the Seren are IC concerned, does not recognize the great lengths we go through to protect her, instead shunning us and calling us intruders, even killing us at times. No, she is not popular at all, which lessens her importance.

As for Faethorn being the Ethereal Serenwilde, this I hold to be untrue even after reading the Book of Clangorum. Faethorn is the crossroads where all Forests meet, but the Etherglom and Etherwilde are distinctly separate, moreso even that say Magnagora and New Celest, though they are on opposite sides of the Prime Plane. When the Taint and later Wyrd took control of Glomdoring, the changes were reflected in only the Etherglom, not the Faethorn. They are not the same, they are not one. And while the Serenwilde likes to try and protect Faethorn (as well as Glomdoring), our first priority is to our home, the Etherwilde.

Glom/Seren are on the Ethereal Plane. Faethorn is just a name, it is part of the Ethereal Plane, which is part of the Moonhart. Moonhart being part of Ethereal, makes Ethereal part of Serenwilde.

Faethorn is part of Ethereal, hence Faethorn is connected to Serenwilde.

It's naive not to think they are connected.


Is there a nexus on Spectre isle? No. That is a ridiculous comparison.



EDIT: PS, Everiine. Glomdoring being 'tainted' does not change the fact that it is Forest and it is on Ethereal.

This isn't entirely accurate either. The few rooms in Faethorn close to the archway into Glomdoring, look very much like Glomdoring.


"Is there a nexus on Spectre isle? No. That is a ridiculous comparison."

There used to be.... Spectre Isle is where Old Celest the empire's capital rested.


Lets see if this line of reasoning works:

Glom/Seren are on the Ethereal Plane. Faethorn is just a name, it is part of the Ethereal Plane, which is part of the Moonhart. Moonhart being part of Ethereal, makes Ethereal part of Serenwilde.

Faethorn is part of Ethereal, hence Faethorn is connected to Serenwilde.


Celest/Mag are on the prime plane. The inner sea is just a name, it is part of the prime plane, which is part of the pool of stars. The pool of stars being part of Prime, makes Prime part of Celest.

The spectre island is part of prime, hence spectre island is connected to Celest.

Nope, don't think it works.

So are you comparing the long-gone Pool of Stars on the island to the Alive-twin-counter-part mirrored Moonhart on Ethereal? LOL. That is not the same at all.


FYI: Its true, everything is connected. Mag wouldn't even exist without Celest.
Obviously your example is much more broad and needs meticulous detail to be accurate.

Prime is the plane of physical manifestation for EVERYTHING.
Thats why its Prime. It doesn't exist for any other purpose than to have junk live on it.

Ethereal is specifically for 'nature'. Which is what Serenwilde is. Nature.

Look at Prime as more of 'the world' in general.

There are three parts to the Ethereal: EtherWilde, Faethorn, and EtherGlom. EtherWilde = under Serenwilde; Faethorn = under Maeve; EtherGlomd = under Glomdoring. EtherWilde =/= Faethorn. There are even instances where Serenwilde and Maeve collide (Thornroot, the Fae, etc.)

And, on Glomdoring's side, they're still Nature. Only Wyrded. But it's Nature. Serenwilde stands for Pure Nature, not Nature by itself.

EDIT: Faethorn is neutral ground, in my opinion. Maeve is the 'collective spirit of nature', much like the Great Spirits are. As I understand it, Maeve is both part Serenwilde, Ackleberry and Gloriana (before Taint). During the war, Ackleberry disappeared and Gloriana was Tainted (Glomdoring!). So, in turn, as Maeve is part of the forests, she is (partly) Tainted.

This I just realized. :|