Raziela and the Song of Ail'Fae Runia

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Ryleth2008-04-14 19:22:31
Also Serenwilde is not - with the capital 'Nature'. It rather champions nature.
Glomdoring is not "The Wyrd". It champions the wyrd
Celest is not "Light" it champions light
Prisch2008-04-14 19:32:32
Mhm, everyone has the right to say that Serenwilde isn't connected to Faethorn.
I just like to think there is more to it than Commune --> Maeve
Daganev2008-04-14 20:14:09
You know the catacombs of the dead are also on the Ethereal plane right? Ur'gates and all that jazz.

Also, theoretically jojobo is also part of maeve, though it is a silented and destroyed part of her.
Prisch2008-04-14 20:25:16
Prime used to be all Natural too. It's not impossible I guess.
Morgfyre2008-04-15 04:11:08
QUOTE(Tervic @ Apr 14 2008, 10:28 AM) 502125
I have the feeling that this 'way to free her' was about as possible a fixing Xion when it first opened, and we all know how that turned out...

(for those who don't know, the summary is something along the lines of BOOM!)


Funny story about Xion....

I remember at the time of the event, we had planned it out wholly expecting players to finish before the bomb went off (it was really just there to add dramatic tension to the event, and a feeling of being timed). However, we realized as the timer was drawing shorter and shorter that it looked like it was not going to be finished - but since we had not planned that eventuality we had nothing for what would actually happen when the place blew up! Frantically at the last minute, we had to create an explosion that would actually kill everyone on the Workshop. It was barely finished in time for the big finale, and we were all pretty stunned that Elostian hadn't been saved (him most of all). It was a wild ride of an event.
Zalandrus2008-04-15 04:39:13
ohmy.gif Poor Elostian...

I still think, in global events that don't seem to help or hurt one organization over another, that people should be more willing to team together for a greater good, temporarily. Glom and Seren did it for the Raziela event, but (and I'm speculating here), wouldn't the Xion outcome have been better if everybody just shut up, set their differences somewhat aside, and concentrated their neurons on solving the puzzle?
Xenthos2008-04-15 14:11:15
QUOTE(Zalandrus Meyedsun @ Apr 15 2008, 12:39 AM) 502292
ohmy.gif Poor Elostian...

I still think, in global events that don't seem to help or hurt one organization over another, that people should be more willing to team together for a greater good, temporarily. Glom and Seren did it for the Raziela event, but (and I'm speculating here), wouldn't the Xion outcome have been better if everybody just shut up, set their differences somewhat aside, and concentrated their neurons on solving the puzzle?

That right there's your answer... there's almost always been a bit of a disconnect between Events and Roleplay. Quite a few players see, "EVENT! MUST DO EVENT! MUST SOLVE EVENT!" But really-- you need to think about whether it makes sense for your character to actually be involved in said event. If it makes sense, then yes, working together probably will happen. If it doesn't... what reason is there to work with your greatest enemy? Just because it's an Event?
Catarin2008-04-15 14:20:47
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Apr 15 2008, 08:11 AM) 502375
That right there's your answer... there's almost always been a bit of a disconnect between Events and Roleplay. Quite a few players see, "EVENT! MUST DO EVENT! MUST SOLVE EVENT!" But really-- you need to think about whether it makes sense for your character to actually be involved in said event. If it makes sense, then yes, working together probably will happen. If it doesn't... what reason is there to work with your greatest enemy? Just because it's an Event?


Exactly. I HATE the mentality that just because there's an event, players should just throw away whatever RP they have outside the event for the sake of completing the event. Of course, I also really hate that so many events seem to require players to do just that.
Shiri2008-04-15 14:25:05
I dunno...I see your point, but is it really throwing away your RP to do so if the event requires it of you? I mean, we're all used to the idea by now that the priority of dealing with soulless is much higher than the priority of dealing with each other's orgs, and that it's too hard for one org to do alone.
Unknown2008-04-15 14:39:22
QUOTE(Shiri @ Apr 15 2008, 02:25 PM) 502378
I dunno...I see your point, but is it really throwing away your RP to do so if the event requires it of you? I mean, we're all used to the idea by now that the priority of dealing with soulless is much higher than the priority of dealing with each other's orgs, and that it's too hard for one org to do alone.


When the alternative to "working together temporarily" is "get eaten body and soul by big gross blob forever", all but the most extreme, insane, zealots would probably opt for option number one. So paladins and ur'guard? Cuddles!
Xenthos2008-04-15 14:43:08
QUOTE(Shiri @ Apr 15 2008, 10:25 AM) 502378
I dunno...I see your point, but is it really throwing away your RP to do so if the event requires it of you? I mean, we're all used to the idea by now that the priority of dealing with soulless is much higher than the priority of dealing with each other's orgs, and that it's too hard for one org to do alone.

Keep in mind that I am talking about "events that don't really help or hurt" an organization. When a Soulless is dragged into the picture, that whole thing tends to go bye-bye pretty quickly. They're big on hurting everyone.

Some events? Sure they require that you work with your enemy to figure out what's wrong if you want to save your own guys. My own personal issue in this case is when some people become all friendly and nice to each other (not even a fake 'let's pretend so we can get your help,' but actually forgetting that they're enemies). The non-world-is-ending events? There's not a whole lot of reason to jump into them much of the time except the "It's an Event!!!" one.
Zalandrus2008-04-15 15:45:54
QUOTE(Catarin @ Apr 15 2008, 10:20 AM) 502376
Exactly. I HATE the mentality that just because there's an event, players should just throw away whatever RP they have outside the event for the sake of completing the event. Of course, I also really hate that so many events seem to require players to do just that.


Players shouldn't throw away their RP for an event that obviously is meant to help or hurt one organization or another (repeating my point from the last one). But yes, for big events like a soulless breaking loose or whatnot, then it makes sense from an RP standpoint to work together (after all, Soulless are the ultimate evil, so it makes sense to prioritize taking care of a soulless god over annihilating the taint, for a while).

I actually enjoy events that involve all organizations equally and require them to somewhat put aside their differences. It brings out an interesting dynamic, and sort of pits all the players against the "forces that be" instead of the same old enemies they always fight. Sure, celest vs. mag conflict is nice, but if every single event is just going to harp on it and pit X vs. Y, A vs. B, X + Y vs. A + B, etc. etc., then...well, soon you run out of options, and diplomacy is hopelessly entangled. Fight (and win) against the soulless, however, and everybody's happy (for a while)
Catarin2008-04-15 18:40:16
QUOTE(Zalandrus Meyedsun @ Apr 15 2008, 09:45 AM) 502419
Players shouldn't throw away their RP for an event that obviously is meant to help or hurt one organization or another (repeating my point from the last one). But yes, for big events like a soulless breaking loose or whatnot, then it makes sense from an RP standpoint to work together (after all, Soulless are the ultimate evil, so it makes sense to prioritize taking care of a soulless god over annihilating the taint, for a while).

I actually enjoy events that involve all organizations equally and require them to somewhat put aside their differences. It brings out an interesting dynamic, and sort of pits all the players against the "forces that be" instead of the same old enemies they always fight. Sure, celest vs. mag conflict is nice, but if every single event is just going to harp on it and pit X vs. Y, A vs. B, X + Y vs. A + B, etc. etc., then...well, soon you run out of options, and diplomacy is hopelessly entangled. Fight (and win) against the soulless, however, and everybody's happy (for a while)


Trying to stop the Soulless is a lot different than some of the other events that have prompted orgs to just toss their RP and join up together. Like freeing Elostian. I'm not sure why that in particular would prompt people to put aside their differences?
Zalandrus2008-04-15 18:49:01
What was the background behind Xion again? Was it just that Lacostian was trapped, and Elcyrion was working to free him? If that's so, then sure, Mags could've/should've worked against it, since Lacostian was a Celestian god.

I agree that there aren't that many events to the degree of a Soulless. But, why can't there be other logical RP reasons that allow for cooperation? Like a quest that will unveil new knowledge: all sides can work together in the hopes that the knowledge is something that will help them. For instance, if there was no trapped god for Xion and instead there was a reasonable belief that solving Xion would release a new place (neutral, to people's knowledge), or would unveil all the Elder War histories ever written, or would grant a skill that people from every organization would get (Lucidian sisters quest?), why shouldn't the world work together, to see what exactly this new "thing" is? If anything, work together so that you're there when it's unveiled and your enemies won't be able to use it against you in surprise.

People complain about conflict sometimes, and I think a big underlying reason is that it gets old. Light vs. Taint all the time just isn't that fun, especially if all the best fighters of both organizations don't change (you're just fighting the same old people every time). There's only so much creativity that can take place when you plop two opposing groups of warriors against each other. It's when never-before-seen things, things that will react in unpredicted ways, are happening that you can get some interesting dynamics, but against the never-before-seen things.

That's my take on it, at least.
Unknown2008-04-15 19:03:36
Wow, I love Raziela's new description, especially the last part which seems to foreshadow that something awesome is still waiting to happen. Though two brands at the same time is still ouch *hug.gif Raziela*

And I 100% agree with what you said Zalandrus.
Unknown2008-04-15 19:06:16
I agree, throwing out RP in the sake of saving something is ridiculous, such as Serenwilde backstabbing Celest because of the Fae,
I spent time rping friendly relationships with Serens and now Ruiku dispises 'most' of them
Catarin2008-04-15 19:20:43
QUOTE(Zalandrus Meyedsun @ Apr 15 2008, 12:49 PM) 502467
What was the background behind Xion again? Was it just that Lacostian was trapped, and Elcyrion was working to free him? If that's so, then sure, Mags could've/should've worked against it, since Lacostian was a Celestian god.

I agree that there aren't that many events to the degree of a Soulless. But, why can't there be other logical RP reasons that allow for cooperation? Like a quest that will unveil new knowledge: all sides can work together in the hopes that the knowledge is something that will help them. For instance, if there was no trapped god for Xion and instead there was a reasonable belief that solving Xion would release a new place (neutral, to people's knowledge), or would unveil all the Elder War histories ever written, or would grant a skill that people from every organization would get (Lucidian sisters quest?), why shouldn't the world work together, to see what exactly this new "thing" is? If anything, work together so that you're there when it's unveiled and your enemies won't be able to use it against you in surprise.

People complain about conflict sometimes, and I think a big underlying reason is that it gets old. Light vs. Taint all the time just isn't that fun, especially if all the best fighters of both organizations don't change (you're just fighting the same old people every time). There's only so much creativity that can take place when you plop two opposing groups of warriors against each other. It's when never-before-seen things, things that will react in unpredicted ways, are happening that you can get some interesting dynamics, but against the never-before-seen things.

That's my take on it, at least.


Having variety in conflict is completely different than tossing out established RP for the sake of an event for anything less than a soulless level threat. And that is not tossing out established RP as most orgs place the Soulless at the top of the danger list. Yes, it's interesting and you get to experience some new dynamics but it's still, on a very general level, bad RP.
Catarin2008-04-15 19:21:43
QUOTE(Ruiku @ Apr 15 2008, 01:06 PM) 502476
I agree, throwing out RP in the sake of saving something is ridiculous, such as Serenwilde backstabbing Celest because of the Fae,
I spent time rping friendly relationships with Serens and now Ruiku dispises 'most' of them


I'm not sure they threw out their RP to backstab Celest tongue.gif It could be argued pretty convincingly that Seren's RP is pretty consistent when it comes to backstabbing Celest. Celest is just stupid enough to keep trusting them.
Daganev2008-04-15 19:25:35
A bracelet and a branding are two very different things!
Sarrasri2008-04-15 19:26:05
Well, since this is all about the branding of Raziela, I'll stick an idea here that was brought to attention by a certain someone. The Fae in Faethorn at current yell about not wanting to go to the cosmic planes when Celestia or Nil is mentioned in front of them. The Fae should now yell/say something patriotic or something similar to that when Celestia is mentioned in front of them, since they hold no fear of Raziela anymore.