Are you actually reading the thread? My problem is with the event, which has nothing to do with Eventru. I rather like him, personally. Does that mean my complaints about this event should go unheard or are invalid? Good thinking there. Jesus Christ. Please try to separate forums from the game. ICly, Eventru has been hailed and corpses offered, aplenty! I'm hoping he feels welcome. The effort to make him feel as such is there.

Also, let me add this here, lest I make a double post- Before the wrong message is sent: I’m not suggesting that consequences from events are “bad.” What I am suggesting is that for years now, Celest has been shafted in that we tend to have to deal with “consequences,” but we have no means to deal them out (with a few exceptions like killing Demon Lords - which all organizations have).

I'll cite a few specific examples:

1) Old Celest is enemy territory for New Celest (go figure). Celest cannot defend the spectres of their dead being hunted by Magnagora because the entire isle is part of Ladantine’s territory.

2) The Island of Nyalia (Merians in Bondero Bay) are pro-Celest and in neutral territory. They have to deal with the Avenger to protect them.

3) Shallach is pro-Magnagora and has its own territory. If a Celestian kills undead, they're enemied and thus are free targets.

4) Angkrag cannot be influenced (feasibly) by Celest, period. Of course, the entire village is designed as a freebie to Magnagora/Glomdoring by design.

5) Soulforge quest.

6) Broadcast Center quest.

7) Recent event.

From quests to events to bashing, Celest has consequences, but I don’t see them reflected on Magnagora. I personally think Marani needs redone so Celest can raise her to torment the Viscanti in the Presidio again.

/slightly off topic. Sorry! Carry on.

Its not personal. Everyone posting so far has liked him. I hope he understands that we've nothing against him, just the event that was incredibly crappy for Celest.

I like this a lot. Risk and the potential for change makes a good story. And if you think Celest was unfairly targeted in this event, then consider that next event there is the possibility that you can swing events to be changed to Celest's favour.

And many props to the divine for Queen Maeve! Welcome Eventru.

I'd like further clarification too.

I don't agree with Celest had a chance to stop it, because just like the village revolts it depends on how many people are on at the time. From what Acrune tells me, the little girl was not easily killable which I don't agree with.

Agreed.

I wouldn't mind so much if a tedious event like that happened that didn't turn out to be the 3v1. I really don't care which organization, it is, but it's not fun trying to fight through that kind of hell. An event that turned out to be that tedious should at least involve 2 orgs working together as opposed to 3 working against one.

Also, I think the event has completely annihilated Celest's relations with the forests that it took the better half of 2007 and 2008 to cultivate.

That's the problem, we don't GET those kinds of events.

With Celest it's "Lose or break even" with mag it's "Win or break even"

Hmm. Could the admin get around this with heavy foreshadowing?


A horrible nightmare suggests logging on Sunday is a GOOD IDEA

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Am I the only one who remembers when the serpent sucked all the Taint out of Magnagora and Revan became a hippy flowercaster?

And how many events since then has there been that were just as Doman described?

No, I'm saying that (probably) from an Admin perspective whoever got to heal/poison her would end up getting the power for their efforts. From IC perspective, Magnagora feels they earned it for jumping on the opportunity to poison her and succeeding at it. We weakened her and her power was siphoned for us. Celest would have healed her, probably would have got power too.

That didn't really matter. She was already done by the time he attacked her-- all we did after that was lead her home alive. (I also don't think she was all that tough to kill, but she did run when attacked which makes it harder)

That the event was not fun and most in Celest are feeling it wasn't worth it isn't really a reflection on Eventru. I am sure he is a nice god and might bring some more interesting dynamic to Celest's RP.

However, if given the choice, I do not think Celest would have chosen to get another god by suffering this. Here is a brief rundown:

1. A good portion of Celest's player population is completely demoralized by this event. They don't even want to log in.

2. From a RP perspective, there is little reason to keep having faith in the Supernals. They completely failed us in this event. A severe kick in the gut for anyone for whom the Supernals were a big part of their RP and for Celest as a whole. Why do we *follow* these beings?? Could lead to interesting RP in terms of Celest moving away from the Supernals or the dynamics in the relationship changing but in the short term, just depressing.

3. We lost 5,000 power from the Pool to our arch enemies for no apparent reason whatsoever. The Magnagorans had nothing to lose and everything to gain from participating and once again the only position Celest was in was one of trying to stop something bad from happening. Not fun.

4. Relationship with the communes that a good many players put quite a bit of time into developing and balancing? (and it is a serious balancing act)? Eh, gone at what seems like the whim of the admins.

Now, I don't think the admin intended for it to be this way. But it is. So, there you go. I'm sure Celest will recover. But like it or not, they worked their butts off and in the end got their teeth kicked in for the effort.

Not exactly the kind of thing that will foster a lot of warm feelings. Nor will it actually inspire many of the people who participated in this event from participating in future ones. I stopped logging in when events were going on ever since we were railroaded during the first lead up to the ascension event with the taint eating serpent thing. I wonder how many people will stop participating in events after this one.

How to fix it? Anytime you're planning an event and it involves "If Org X does Task Y then Very Bad Thing Z will not happen to them." Think very very carefully about it. Being prompted to do a ton of tedious and frustrating work just to stop bad things that would not have happened had there not been an event is NOT FUN.

Any time the above formula is happening multiple times in the same event and we add the formula of "If Org A does not participate nothing will happen to them. But Org A has the option of doing Task B to screw over Org B and NPCs will really spend a lot of time encouraging them to do so. And Org A will get a reward for this while Org B can only try to stop them." Well, the problem is just compounded and the not fun factor for Org B rises exponentially.

This event had a lot of issues and Celestian players have every right to feel cheated and frustrated. Stating that those who do are simply metagamers is insulting to the highest degree.

So by healing her, 5k power would have come from the megalith? Doesn't really make sense, but I guess its possible.

I agree that 3 vs. 1 is pretty rough, but one thing to bear in mind is that the Communes were both presented with the choice of binding Raziela against harming the fae. This was presented entirely in the context of a choice for the players to make as to what role they wanted to play in the event. It was a neutral Faethorn mob that approached both Communes and asked for their help (Seren/Glom mobs were not used, to make this as much of a free choice as possible). I think it is reasonable to be frustrated by the difficulty of the situation, but I also think it is fairly disingenuous to blame the admin as a scapegoat for forcing a 3 v. 1 when it was made as open-ended as possible and players made the decision whether to attack Raziela or not.

Likewise, Celest's relations with the forests were annihilated by the forests, not the event.

Eight hits (counting the crits as two) and she was still at light wounds. At that point both communes annihilated me, so I couldn't quite get any more hits in.

Over the Celestines guild channel, Shakiniel was stating that we should give up hope, Elohora was saying that we should just weep because Raziela is lost forever. Japhiel was saying the same things, but I can't remember his exact words. Methrenton said lets go cut her out, but all the other Supernals rebuked him saying it'd be dumb and pointless and Raziela is gone forever.

We Celestines had to actually tell the Supernals to shut up.

... what's this about Raziela getting branded by the tainties? I'm confused from all the different sources I'm reading about this event.

I wish I could've been attendance for what happened, it seemed very intriguing aside from the mentioned tediousness. And although from an IG standpoint the commune relations are very useful for the city, it may be fun to have conflict with people that aren't Mag again =)

And perhaps it's just me but Eventru just looks too 'good' to be true *remembers newcomer Viravain*

Heh, I chewed out the Supernals towards the end, too.

What reasonable person would expect the communes to pass that up? Giving Magnagora a choice on whether to hurt a supernal, and giving the communes a choice on whether to protect the fae... it seems like all the choices are rather obvious and in all likelihood will end in a 3v1 smackdown.