As a note, Maeve isn't a neutral Faethorn mob. When she called us to her and told her something bad was coming that would affect the Fae, and we should seek the wisdom of our Great Spirits to try and figure out what to do... and it's something of DIRE IMPORTANCE to all Fae-kind, including our Great Spirits, I think it was a pretty natural conclusion to draw that this was the "thing to look for" that would benefit them.

And the Fae aren't exactly all-out neutral to the Communes, at the moment at least. Given these two things, it didn't feel like we had a whole lot of choice in the matter (and remember the last time we chose to take the 'wait and see' approach? Crow died. Really, what choice did we have here?)

Do you really see it that way? It is disingenuous to state that the admin giving the communes the option to do something they have long long wanted in the middle of another event that already pitted one org against another was solely the player's fault for taking the bait. The admin controlled when this option was given to the communes, the admin controlled how it was presented, the players controlled how they reacted to it.

Having the forests do it at another time and focusing on gorgulu as well would have been far better than the dogpile that this turned into. With all the other things going on, why was this even included? A simple "free Raziela/poison Raziela" event would have more than sufficed.

Gonna have to agree with Catarin.

All this turned out to be was "Hey everyone, Mess up raziela if you feel like it"

but Along with that, Maeve was saying "Hey, communes, attack The supernal. You'll probably start a war, WHO CARES?"

Ok Acrune. The issue appears to be amount of events. So lets recap and feel free to throw stuff in.

Anti-Taint/Pro-Light
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+ Old: Lucidians converting viscanti into freaks

+ Old: Taint sucking serpent

Anti-Light/Pro-Taint

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+ Soulforge

+ Tainted Broadcasting Center

+ This one.


I'd agree recently there do not appear to be as many Anti-Taint/Pro-Light events. I trust the admin's sense of balance though, given enough time.

For this event I agree it seemed to put Celest on pure defense to protect Raziela and put the city at a negative. No obvious way to gain power to expand influence etc. But I'd argue that the event doesn't seem done yet. We did get a God out of the event and we don't know what benefits he will bestow down the line on Celest. The God was the leader of the Hamadhi and I have a feeling that will be a significant gain to the city. That's speculation, we don't know.

Now if the issue is "how do we construct an event where every group has a equal chance of swinging it in their favour" I think one way to do it would be to discover a neutral territory that all groups could equally influence. Discovery of a new land that all organizations seek to exploit...er convert to the Right way of doing things.

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I agree Talkan, that is very different from what the Celestines have come to expect from the Supernals. Not how I would have run it but that's monday morning quarterbacking. Looks like the Celestines have to dig into this to clarify the Faith.

Edit: Also just curious, aside from the other organizations ganging up on Celest, how is this event from the perspective of loss to an organization any different from Mother Night being attacked by the Sun Fae?

Well...Raziela was gone. No more love or compassion in Celestia. The only reason Methrenton was gung-ho about getting her out is because he's naturally aggressive. If there was no love emanating from your favorite child-supernal, wouldn't everything look pretty bleak?

Maybe I'm just getting things wrong.


Hello, Eventru! Welcome to the Basin. We're nicer than we look in the forums. Please don't run.

Ok, Kaalak, The Lucidian quests aren't that Anti-taint. Sure, you're taking viscanti children, but it doesn't harm Mag or Help Celest.

That quest is more of a "moral ambiguity" thing

Edit: Also, Mag has a way to act against that quest by stopping the experiments.

So for every event you want a mechanism to return the situation to the initial state?

Hmm. May be interesting.


Edit: Also the Observatory quest is very clearly anti-Taint. If the quest is completed by Celest, for example, Magnagora loses Tainted individuals. If Magnagora succeeds, the experiments are stopped for a time. So Magnagora doesn't GAIN anything just removes a situation temporarily.

And yes there is the very cool moral issue in the decision of do I assist the lucidians or not.

No. I MOST events to have some semblence of fairness when they effect another org.

I would not have chosen a fifth God if I knew how the events were playing out. And, we had to invite him into the city. He had a choice where he wanted to go, and he chose new celest because 1) we're not tainted and 2) we didn't try to kill raziela like the communes. Serenwilde would have had just as much a chance to have him as a new god if they had used their heads and not harmed raziela. Mag and Glom had no chance.




When we see an event playing out to be, "This is just for us to get screwed over", you're right, we are not going to put in as much effort. I appreciate the Gods going in depth and trying to rouse some conflict, but I think they should have looked at all options and considered what the playerbase would do. Obviously this wasn't considered unless the intention was to make communes go to war with Celest.



This has little to do with Eventru. And in-game everyone is very excited to have him around, but devastated because of how the Supernals acted and also how the events played out.



That edge to the event was very ridiculous and unneeded. There was not much Celest could do to stop it. I think it could have come at a better time, when we had a chance, but since ... it came at a bad time... well. You saw what happened.

But Since this has turned into a 3 vs 1 against Celest, and the celestian players feel as if we specifically were attacked by the admin, I hope the Admin will allow Celest to get some alchemists in the city. Unless we have to start bashing and fighting without potions. Then I'll expect a city-wide trueheal for only 1 power.

Hey now, the Communes didn't try to kill Raziela.

Oh, and when is Celest going to get some quests that devastate/annoy Mag?

If you guys are open for builders I'd be more than happy to think up something.

No you just kicked her when she was down.

I do not feel Celest was attacked by the admin. That would be a stupid business decision and I have not seen that occur. And I advocate walking outside in this fine day. Toodles.

I don't understand this.

To light the beacons it requires X squids. There are Y squids and they repop after Z time. X/Y * Z = How long it takes to light the beacons. This is assuming perfect coordination with colors and having teleport targets to minimize movement time, and finding the squids right away, etc.

This is a known easily calculated minimum time to do this "quest". I do not understand how it could catch you off guard. Small things like this just cause demoralization. On the one hand it is nice to recognize a mistake, on the other it just makes RP very difficult. When something you worked very hard on suddenly gets finished for you, it makes you not want to work hard on the next thing. It makes it feel like a given outcome is just preplanned.

NPC: You must do this quest or all is lost, only you can do it! Hurry!
PCs : Bah, fine *does 8 hours of tedious work*
Admin: Huh they are still not done, guess that quest is hard
NPC: Guess what the beacons are lit! Quick hurry do this other thing now!
PCs: Um, why didn't you just light the beacons before we spent 8 days working on this
NPC: Hurry!
PCs: Whatever, clearly things are supposed to happen a given way, I think I will log off

Having multiple outcomes is a good thing. This needs to be communicated better though. Players are trained to feel like events have one single outcome. This is reinforced anytime an admin completes tasks early. Better planning up front on the min time required to do something will help avoid these kinds of mistakes in the future.

I also think it would be better to have more logic behind things rather than just having an NPC say "do this hard quest because it might help", that just makes it feel like the admin picked a hard quest just because, rather than having the event actually require that hard quest. If that makes any sense.

This is poor Evie's welcome thread. Why don't you lovelies go and rant in the idiots forum rather than turning his forum hello into a warzone.

I would split the thread, but I'm faaaar too busy thinking up new ways to ruin your gaming experience. It takes a lot of effort, you know.

This would also be cool.

Can't really dispute that. We weren't really given a whole lot of choice though (at least, none of us in-game felt like we were given a choice), as I said: "This is the only time it will be possible," etc, etc.

Answer my question, God!

Well, hello!

All I'm going to say in regards to my release event is that I greatly enjoyed it - though I assure you, it was harrowing to say the least. There were problems and hindsight is always 20/20, however, in the end I believe it went well. As has been said, the hope was to allow what would have been an ordinary event to encompass multiple orgs, though it was entirely intended to be option for the three non-celestian orgs, and I'm at a loss at how else it could have been enforced beyond taking a rather extremist group of fae, and leading the effort. And if it is of any consolation whatsoever, the math was done to ensure it took identical effort on the part of Magnagora and Celest to both free and mark Raziela - as has been said multiple times.

But enough of that, truly. I'm very happy to be here, and received an exceptionally warm welcome during my character's arrival. I greatly look forward to interacting with everyone, and hope my character will make a great and welcomed addition to New Celest.

And, for the record, because it seems to be bandied about regularly - read the Elder Wars books. Eventru was listed in several books as a First Circle God, and in one book it was noted he and another First Circle took over leading the remaining Hamadhi. He was and will always be a Leader, first and foremost, and a healer second.

But yes! Hello world!

Hey, Eventru, Sorry for tainting your Thread with my anger.

Nice to meetcha, Doman may end up stalking you, be afraid!