I remember what happened during that time too. I remember a Magnagora taking out the Supernals multiple times. I remember a Magnagora causing the Star to fall. I also remember members of Magnagora (not all) going out and killing whomever was weaker than them on a whim. So what I saw back then, I see happening now. Just like Daevos could not stop all of the griefing that was going on then, all of it can't be stopped now by Catarin or whoever else tries to put a lid on it. Still, I suggest you work a bit harder to remember what went on back then, because frankly Magnagora was far from being a considerate adversary.

I think Ashteru's first post brings up an interesting point; if there could somehow be a system where the top org gets something to show their effort but at the same time the other or 'loser' orgs get access to something that the 'winners' don't, it could make for potentially neater dynamics and more happy people all around. Or alternatively, the longer an org stays in power the more challenging (read: not impossible or frustrating) it is to maintain that status. Something of a negative feedback mechanism.

I think that the major problem here is that Celest's players feel slighted by the events (whether that was the intent or not is 100% irrelevant here) and are PISSED. ICly and OOCly, Celest is royally freaking pissed off, and the best way for them to do that ICly is to royally trash the living excrement out of Magnagora. After all, Morgfyre ate Aestra's heart, stole Haja-essence, Magnagorans branded a Supernal... what do you think the IC reaction's gonna be? Give quarter to those that are defiling our most sacred icons?

I'm in agreement with Geb that even -if- Catarin and the entire Star Council says stand down, some faction of the fighter populace is going to say 'screw that' and continue to whale on the Demon Lords.

That's the thing though. What judges being on top? Celest only has three villages. They're not cultural centre. They won wildnodes this time but they don't always. The only place Celest is dominating other orgs is in terms of the ability to muster an extremely effective combat force to achieve various goals. I'm not really sure how that is so imbalancing to the game.

Estarra you are talking about Aison, you need to just tell her to stop being such a pratt (like you told me that one time ) and she might calm down a bit (like I did... a little )

Hah! Celest is the U.S. of Lusternia.

Apparently

At this point I am imagining two burly paladins holding down a Nihilist in a chair while an aquamancer waterboards him.

/backon topic.

Geb, you have to get it right. Celest = America 1950-1961. When America was feared, before losing due to politics in Vietnam, yet was also evil for still retaining the whole dark element of America which tried to quell the Civil Rights Movement.

/sagenod

I guess that is true too, on paper Celest wouldn't immediately seem like the top contender to an outside observer. But there's a distinct feeling, from a year ago when we were at the bottom and now when we're a lot better. Regardless it could be fun for an org to have something else to beat on besides their inferiors

I agree. The biggest raider who kept on pushing too far back then was Marcalo amusingly enough, and I used to get him to back off at the request of Celest citizens all the time once I knew he was raiding again.

And if you actually remembered things correctly, the star only fell in retaliation to Celest deciding to attack us. And more often than not, when the Supernals went down, Mag did virtually nothing (apart from the occasional asshat aka Marcalo) to stop them from rebuilding until the next time they were stupid enough to attack.

@Catarin: The biggest difference between now and then - Magnagora as an organisation only ever really took revenge for IC actions that Celest citizenry took, when it was their turn to be sucky and it was never because we were whiny little girls over losing an event or two. Not that we lost that many events back then either.

You didn't get vengeanced three times (once by a Mag Champion), lost a level +25%, and actually felt compelled to get drunk because the event sucked so badly.

I think I have a pretty justified reason to be ing pissed off. I pay money to get enjoyment out of this game/because I did get enjoyment from this game. I wanted enjoyment out of this event, so I participated, but I got jack. What would be REALLY nice is if I got my xp back. I'd stay peaced for another 8 days happily as long as I got my XP back.

I remember back when one death was upwards of 40%....

When you're like, level 60...

EDIT: Post aborted for personal attacks.

I lost 20% (maybe more I think it was 20% though) dying/praying in Celest due to a bug with Stealth when it came out. I was level 95 and trust me at 95, 20% is a lot longer to gain back that one might think.

I was mad of course because it was due to a miscode in the stealth skillset, but I know that things like this are bound to happen and so I didn't raise a fuss about it to the admins.... I whined about it on clans... but they are used to me whining if I stub my toe, so no biggie there.

The point is, after the administration sees a problem with something, be it a bug or an idea that did not turn out well. They try to correct the idea, but you can't always be recompensated for things like exp, etc.

In this case, they made a change for the future, so that it might not be so bad again. We should be thankful for that in itself instead of getting too cranky about a situation no matter how crappy it is.

Trust me Aison, I feel for you, I am sorry you lost the exp and got vengeanced and I don't agree that it should have happened like that at all. But they hopefully fixed the problem and it is not normal for them to recompensate anyone for anything that might have happened due to bugs/coding/etc.

I don't feel as much for the whole zapping of an ascendant thing who wasn't a titan or demi before gaining ascendance.
Wow, I hope that doesn't sound bad (but I am sure it does). I mean they were elected as an org ascendant, but I just feel if you were to be zapped or killed or somehow lose alot of essence due to having to pray for some reason that it wouldn't bother me as much because you are IMO paying some dues for becoming an insta titan/demi then ascendant and you would have had to gain alot of experience to get to either titan/demi in the first place so losing something from nothing isn't as big of a deal to me personally as losing something that you worked your ass off for to get in the first place. (and again xenny/mali no offense just my opinion and others will most likely vary)

Again, sorry Aison you got hit hard. It does suck, but the good side of the coin is that it hopefully won't happen again. This change will have hopefully taken care of the whole chain of defending problems that also plauged the avenger setup as well.

Take a chill pill. I wasn't ranting at you/about you/about Mags (in this particular situation). I was ranting about the event, the consequences of a bad system, and how I'm really NOT looking forward to 7 days of peace and gaining back all the xp I spent my last two days off getting. Chill out.

There's no reason to insult me and call me names like that. That is out of line. I am not, did not, and will never ask to be treated specially because I buy credits with a debit card. I am not unthankful for the game. I am not unthankful for Admin's involvement. I was angry. Seriously, incredibly mad because I lost all the work I put into this game and am now being prevented from gaining any of it back quickly. But I had some great food, a good 24 hours to get over it, I've thrown my tantrum on forums, in game, out of game, and now it's fine. It's just a game, an event, and I've suffered far worse in life, and I will move on.

You do not need to act like a brat just because I was acting like a brat. I was not thinking of other people while I was ranting. If you don't like someone's rant you can always ignore it. They even have forum snubbing which I am sure you can put to good use.



I didn't think much of the change to the avenger system, but thinking it over, I really appreciate it. It was a great move on the Admin's part and I am really glad they learned their lesson for it now. And I am sure Morgfyre will never get involved in an event like he did with this one.

As for the XP, I'm level 88. Influencing back up 25%ish is just... stupidly tedious. And I am sure I will get jumped once or twice. But I'll get it back, even though I will hate it every step of the way, just like everyone else.

You do not consider branding a Supernal with a demon mark grounds enough to kill the Demon lords? I would think it makes perfect role-play sense to kill them, after they defiled the most innocent Supernal of them all. Also, you do not think being doped by the Patron of Magnagora is role-play reason enough to want revenge? Not only did he dope us, but he also defiled Raziela by forcing her to spawn some demonic creature. I can agree that some attacks are made under the pretense of flimsy role-play, but the two events were direct attacks on what Celest holds dear. Those two events I would say are very much good enough reasons to seek to bring down the Necromentate.

If you considered a random attack by Celest a valid reason to bring down the Star, then how can you not consider what happened to Raziela as reasons enough to do the same to the Necromentate? I mean if what happened in those two events are not valid reasons to kill the Demon Lords, please tell me what is?

I don't want to sound extremely biased or anything, but...
Did it ever occur to someone that they should just lasso the pegasus and take it to Raziela?
It seems blatantly simple to me.

Obviously the event didn't have a huge impact on me because the communes weren't involved.
But a lot of you are sounding EXTREMELY butthurt, and really I'm sorry to say this.

It's your fault. You messed up and all you can do is get it right next time guys, nobodies perfect.
Sure there were some minor kinks here and there.

Yes, yes, but the Avenger made it unfair.
Well, perhaps if Celest wasn't in Terentia-mode and didn't go 1D with their swords in hand it may have turned out differently. With that being said, many of the supposed 'faults' in the event could be nullified and blamed on the players who didn't even try. Most of you even openly admit to just logging out right away, showing your lack of enthusiasm for these things and probably even moreso involvement of thought process which probably resulted in...this.

Sorry, my intention truly isn't to put Celest down. Infact after the last event I was expecting you guys to pull it out.

It's amazing that my little rants are considered so much worse than some of the nonsense on this thread. This little Celest as a maytr nonsense is enough to make me gag. Believe it or not, whining non stop will not get you what you want. Well, other than the crypt. Events aren't always going to go your way. If you got avengered it is YOUR fault. Shikha did not abuse it by taking advantage of all of your mistakes. Your failure to think outside the box is your fault. Celenwilde (Yes, Seren was there. We all saw it) can't smash their way to victory every time.

That being said, LIFE WILL GO ON.