I guess you missed my point. To make it clear, my point was that the Treaty does not protect enemies on either side from being attacked, when said enemies are working at odds to either of the communities. So, the person from Glom, enemied to Celest, should have never teleported to Magnagorans thinking the treaty would be any form of protection from attack.

Basically Celest got screwed. I know people are saying well the answer was obvious, and others saying you can't win all the time suck it up, but honestly why doesn't everyone who is saying tough luck celest take a step back and look at it from their side.

Event one: Supernal "misled" them ended up getting hosed by Seren, Glom, Mag (that's fair right?). Told there were multiple outcomes nothing was written in stone they just didn't work hard enough.

Event two: Supernal Gave them just enough information for them to be screwed. Supernal strength mob is not spawned as such but rather as a mount I could go buy with the gold in my pack. Magnagorans (I could be wrong) were given more explicit information, had a divine activley pretending to be a helper while Celest's divine couldn't sense such. Had Avenger against them, I Don't want to hear they didn't think outside the box, what the hell is outside the box hey we've got suspect on 50 people and can't attack anyone else cause we're on prime. Gaining suspect and knowing it so you can use it to your advantage is not thinking outside the box it's being a jerk. Event then moved after Divine revealing to.......Nil. Where a Divine decided hey you are raiding we can't gain suspect and stop you like last time while i'm trying to finish kicking you while you are down so someone dies and the rest go poof, (totally avoidable if they were thinking outside the box right?).

Now I have to say and this is no reflection on the game. I played for years left and still came back and i've spent more money then my wife knows on it but
Admin saying hey we don't scew events for a certain group, there were multiple outcomes, you guys didn't really think of everything that could have been done and the other side did, isn't really the best answer. Perception is everything if everyone says it's a duck, if everyone see's it walking like a duck, if the damn thing quacks like a duck, most people are going to say hey, look at the duck.

Having one horrible (again based on most forum responses) event after which the admin said hey we understand the complaints and we see where things could have gone better and this wasn't a way to screw over celest we're sorry, followed by an event that quite possibly (again based on forum responses) was twice as bad as the first makes me as a player, not even a celestian one (well i do have one but shhh) go wow, someone doesn't like celest.


Oh also

That's just not good business. I know i've got friends, I know my friends have friends, word of mouth can cripple a game quicker then anything else i've seen short of it going belly up. You piss enough people off and they leave, eventually they're going to tell all their friends who will continue to tell their friends and preety soon, no new blood coming in is going to kill the game. You can't make everyone happy this is true but I'd settle for an equal amount of misery.

How can you explain then that companies can get away with firing huge droves of people, who all have friends and those friends have friends who can stop buying those products because they are pissed? I am thinking mostly two factors play into those equations, quality and lessening the costs.
For Lusternia, that is just providing quality entertainment. I already admitted that the last events made even me pity Celest, and that they were a little overboard, but Lusternia still provides quality entertainment to the three other groups, who all also have friends who have friends. Positive word of mouth is as effective as negative word of mouth, and we end up back at 1 vs 3.

EDIT: Okay, to give a few clearer numbers I learnt during economy-study, it's something like people with a positive feeling share it 10-13 or so times, and people with a negative feeling share it 15-20 times. If you balance it out, it would still end up with Celest getting shafted, but eh, it doesn't seem like many people like my idea of how to handle dominance in Lusty, so, whatever!

Agree here.

When I read about the lasso suggestion, I thought, "why didn't they? Lets see, for me, that would be the equivalent of someone walking up to, say, the White Hart, and putting a lasso around its neck. Would you lasso Hart? ...nuh uh. You wouldn't even think to. Sure, it's vaguely horse shaped, but that has so little to do with what the thing really is." ...at least not with some pretty clear clues that this was what was meant to happen.

Enough said, Hajamin is gone. There is probably little to no worship of Hajamin anymore.
Maybe it doesn't wipe out entire groups because, well, Hajamin is gone.
I'm sorry that you are so genuinely offended by me stating how simple it was.
And I do, FYI.

No, it isn't enough said, because it's not like Hajamin was bestowing sentience on it or something. Hinagar didn't become some idiot wolf when Lisaera went looking for Auseklis.

True but here's the thing. We don't have a huge playerbase, we've got a nice one but in no way huge so if people get pissed off they don't need to tell them not to go to lusty but can tell them to go to one of the other IRE games. Also take into account how many people have multiple characters in different orgs so even if you have a seren and a glomdoring you piss that one player off and you lose a person from both org so it's not totally 3 to 1. Also you have people from other orgs who commiserate with the celestians regardless of Mag, Seren, or Glom, so it really isn't 3 to 1 in my opinion. Hell I could be completely wrong and more and more people are joining because of this. I personally just don't think the idea of hey we could ignore the few people on top that we're pushing away in order for more less devoted players ::shrugs::

But maybe there's some difference between death and just disappearing? I think Hajamin was our first god to "die", so by all means, couldn't that affect her negatively? Or whatever we know, Morg absorbed Hajamin, couldn't he have influenced Aestra negatively?

It makes sense that she would be feeding off of his essence to attain a higher level of consciousness.

First of all, I did not say pushing away. I did say that they should get more events that can come out negatively for them, but only ICly, and oocly provide them with a degree of fun that only good RP can give. (Except for the winner-types, but I guess in a RP-world, they are few and in between.)
Secondly, I do take offense that you call everyone but Celest less devoted players. I am very devoted to play in Glom/to Lusty in general, I just do not have enough time right now due to school. Am I less devoted because of that?
And thirdly, I know of enough people with alts who just put that alt on hibernate if they don't like where he is headed, and rezz him later. (I couldn't do that, myself, Ashman is my homie and I hate playing alts.)

I apologize for wording it such that it came off as if you're not celest you're not devoted. I meant more that if we lose players regardless of org that have been here for months or years and prior to repeated events again regardless of who they screw, planned on staying for months or years for the sole purpose of bringing in people who may or may not stay it's not a better bet. Again in my opinion

Also I didn't say you said pushing away, that was just my take. And again. My Opinion is in no way representative of anyone but me. I have a main character and I do have some alts only one of which could also be a main character.

My original post with quote was just to say I disagree with the 3 to 1 ratio because it doesn't really boil down to 3 to 1 once everything's factored in

I thought it would've been more logical to try and feed Aestra cookies first.

Apparently because I don't live in Celest and don't know its Avatar-like, I wouldn't know to lasso it.
Wouldn't it be the other way around, like because I don't think its a Supernal I'd know to lasso it?

GG for justifying mistakes with IC behaviour.

QFT. Everyone says "OMG, it's a horse, just lasso it, duh", but I went to Hinagar numerous times when Lisaera went away. As a Tracker I have a particular fondness for wolf bonds, and being a Trill, a wolf companion with wings was just too irresistible. Have you ever tried to talk to Hinagar? Gods forbid you try to pet him (which I have tried, and gotten very, very nasty remarks from). You don't treat Divine companions as animals, ever.

The way it seems to me (and, disclaimer, I wasn't around for the event) Magnagora was told what they needed to do, enough that they knew what would come of their actions and had a reasonable idea the ways things were supposed to progress for them. New Celest on the other hand was flimsily led around bit by bit, never really told what they were trying to accomplish. That's what made it unfair and biased (aside from the Divine zapping and all).



Maybe you would have thought to lasso it, but that's precisely because you didn't know anything about it. To you, Aestra was nothing but a mount. But to those that knew what it was, it was a Divine companion, and you don't mount Divine companions. In fact, I'm pretty sure if you tried at any other time before this, Aestra would have either gotten mad at you or the mechanics wouldn't have allowed it.

"Why didn't you lasso it?"
"It killed me last time!"
"Okay, so, why didn't you lasso it?"
It made no sense to try and lasso something you had every reason to believe you couldn't.

Seriously? I'd say make a way for that pillar to be torn down..

IMO your patron having a leave of absence to go on an important journey,
and your patron being completely devoured by an enemy patron, thus ceasing your existence are very, very, different. It has no Divine to follow around or do bidding for. Its a sparkling horse with dwindling strength.

If Ayridion had an Avatar, and he stopped being a God would that Avatar continue to be an Avatar?
Just a thought.

I'm just advocating for the people who organized the event, because it seems like the easy way out of a failure to say its their fault. People keep complaining about the latests events and in all honesty they aren't THAT horrible.

I see no reason why not. Even on the mortal level, if a Tracker forever leaves the realm and still has a companion, the companion doesn't cease to exist. Companions, whether Divine or mortal, are not "part of" their masters, so why would Hajamin being consumed have any effect on Aestra? Aestra was her own being.

When people say Avatar I assume that some portion of Hajamin is imbued in said creature, or he had a part in creating her in the first place in some way or another. Theres nothing stopping any other pegasus from being as strong as her, so this leads me to the conclusion Hajamin had a role in her level of strength.

I'm sure Hajamin did indeed have a part in her strength and creation. But Aestra or any other Divine companion is not a normal creature simply enhanced by the Divine, nor do they only have their special abilities as long as they can siphon power off of the Divine. Hajamin dying didn't break a power link with Aestra, forcing her to revert to a lesser form. She was created as she was and should have remained that way until her own death.

Of course, this is all my theory on the Divine/Companion relationship based on my observations-- if anyone knows differently for sure, let me know.

What people said Avatar? She was not an Avatar. Malicia and Catarin are Avatars; Aestra was a supernal level creature that was a close companion to Hajamin. You keep coming up with made up information and postulations about what Aestra was. You have no knowledge about Aestra, besides what you have been told here. Yet, now you have the gall to act like you understood more about Aestra’s nature, than those who actually had first hand knowledge about her.

I find your assertions to be silly to say the least, especially when you take something Estarra has said and act like you would have known that was the correct path to take considering the canon established about Aestra. Still, seeing this gives me a bit of insight concerning your character (not mud character), and so now I know how to filter your posts when I see them from now on.