Mostly for bashing, really. Mitrans, stuff in Muud, I think in the Catacombs too.

Regarding Master VIscanti.. I realllly like what they have turned into.

*Resists are nice
*Stats are pretty nice
*Sip penalty isnt as bad anymore
*Thought still wish regen worked in poison gas and maybe was lowered as such (poison gas is gustable) but its fine really

However the village influence is either useless or broken.
As a viscanti with 17 charisma and lvl 2 improved village influence it took me the same number of hits on denizens as it took an 18 charisma elfen. I think this may be an oversight and have bugged it.. if its working as intended I would ask the stat change be changed from

-2 strength, -2 dexterity, +3 intelligence and +2 charisma

to

-3 strength, -2 dexterity, +3 intelligence and +3 charisma

To try to boost damage/ego/and speed for influence to make the effect more noticably.

The 12 cha means the damage and speed of the attack is lower than most races (so far as I understand it). Sip penalty + low charisma still makes them worse in influence than most other races.

EDIT: Forgot to ask about something to help them debate with their low charisma without having to up their charisma (increased damage and defense in debating or something)?

...that's not useless or broken. It's SUPPOSED to do that. You should not be getting an advantage over elfen, faelings and merian. This is to make the disadvantage slightly less obvious.

EDIT: Hm, wait, I see what you mean now. Still, try it on someone with the same charisma, and then try it with people with the same charisma on both village leaders and regular mobs, using L1 influence only and L1-2-3 influence.

Also, none of the other 3 spec races have mobile regen. You have a higher con and resists to make up for the (now nerfed) sip penalty.

Btw a normal specced viscanti is 12 cha... a normal specced elfen is 16 for the same type.. the fact I am demigod is why I only had 1 less than her.

If I werent a demi should would have taken less attacks for her than me I believe.. but I will check on it in a bit.

Work?

Nah. Bashing mindlessly is very, very easy, all you have to do is go to your bashing ground of choice and turn off while you pound on your bashing macro and occasionally run when you get low on health.

It's time consuming sure, but it is by no means work.

It's not just time-consuming, it's willpower-draining. IRL. Even if it isn't particularly cerebral, it's pretty tiring. Besides, even if you avoid defining it as "work" via some sneaky backdoor clause, you still end up having to justify the amount of time people put into it.

Malarious, try against harder denizens. As a Taurian with 10 base cha, upgraded to 13, it took me 17 attacks to influence Vroshnak. As a Brood Viscanti with level 2 village and 10 base cha upgraded to 13, it only took me 13 hits. When your CHA is very high, or targetted against trash mobs , it's probably going to be comparable to Elfen.

Let me introduce you to a unique affliction...

It has a few names some of which are...:
*Bashing drudge
*Bashing sickness
*Battle exhaustion
*Leveling fatigue

Those are just some of its names. What is it? Its an affliction you have resulting from bashing for extremely long periods of time. Most people can experience this. A sign of it is when you log on you choose to sit in place and bash only the minimum you need (karma) that day as the very thought of bashing makes you feel tired. Other symptoms include lack of desire to log on as you think of the bashing, twitches on the body, an almost hypnotic state while bashing, the physical response to the mental thought of bashing.

If you experience these symptoms stop logging on for as long (or stop logging on altogether for a bit) and try to relax to give your mind a break. You may need a kick start.. I was up for bashing again when I had reentered combat, the adrenaline and excitement gave me motivation to kill things.

Grang was the leader mob we tested on at the time. He was chief at the time as well it took me 10 attacks, and her 10. Was it changed within the day? If not then I will have to retry to get results.

It might have to do with diminishing returns on high charisma interacting with some kind of "minimum influences required" or whatever.

For those of you who dont speak envoy...

More Charisma you have the less each point might be worth for damage which is then compared against the minimum a denizen might have.

If I understand him right.

Two things:

1. It sounds like Stats from 18 - 22 need to be looked at again. Some change in the formula needs to be made so its noticeable.

2. Please don't compare Tae'dae to Viscanti. That is just silly. Try comparing Tae'dae (big tanky slow strong race) to something like the aslaran or Faeling (speedy quick race) AND then to the Merian/Elfen (your "normal" races). we all know Viscanti aren't good compared to the other races.

Thats what we are trying to fix.

I have influenced the following denizens as a viscanti with 14 charisma using only the first village influence attack with performance or crusade:

*Skung
*Chokaloba
*Grokgar
*Grang
*Vroshnak
*Blachoba

Since someone had celest take Estelbar a member of Celest cannot do these tests.
Message, PM, mail, post, or tell me the number of attacks it took for each and I will post my results of both. (Note it wasnt bad but there is some variation between denizens of similar standing).

REMEMBER: 14 charisma using only the main skill with nothing boosting it.

If people want keph/illi specced for monks cause it makes rp sense, then you should ad lobos to that. not that we need a spec, just that we're the third race with denizen monks.

Also, if trill are becoming an influence race I vote adding another influencing bonus to trill (empower or maybe even village) and giving lucidians and trill a shared language (like elfen and faeling).

Malarious: It ain't just you. I just tried influencing as both a Taurian and a Brood Viscanti with CHA 14, using only the CR2 influence attack. Both took 13 influence attacks to get either Vroshnak or Grang.

EDIT: I have to add, I didn't use either Performance or Crusade in trying this.

The new illithoid stats might be a bit much for a caster. Swap a point of int for dex, maybe?

I never implied that demigod shouldn't justify all the time spent bashing up to it, a +2 to all stats in addition to all the utility abilities demigods get in return for committing a large amount of time to a mindlessly repetitive activity isn't a bad trade off no matter how you slice it. Heck, I used to watch TV and movies while I bashed.

By the by, I bashed heavily in Achaea. My character was around level 91 before he hit 32, which may not sound like much but I assure you, it represents about 65 days of /played doing nothing but bashing in the best bashing areas in the game; so I do speak from experience.

Aren't dragon stats in Achaea something like...25 for all except dex, plus a 1000 mana dragonheal to remove all afflictions?

The stats used to be 18 Str, 18 Int, 20 Con, and 14 Dex.

You used to get a 2000 mana complete heal, as well as a mana-free dragoncurse which gives your target 4 random afflictions, all it costs you is EQ. You also get Gare, which I take to be similar to the Havens ability here. You also get quite a few resistances.

However, people decided that getting a huge PK benefit for what was completely non-PK related factory line assembly was stupid, so now dragonform has a dragon class skill that you can use only while in dragonform, and which forces you to give up your class skills while you're in dragonform. This means that dragons have to choose between being extremely powerful stat-wise, and being able to PK effectively.

I think that Demigod here doesn't seem to be near as unbalanced as dragon was in Achaea, so I'm by no means advocating something like that being implemented here, I'm just pointing out that it's something that requires nothing more than the will to press one button over and over for a long time, and that a +2 to all stats and a ton of utility abilities isn't bad for what it takes to achieve it.

Heck, it's even easier here with conglutinate and the ability to talk to people while you bash off-plane via trans astral.

Dragon stats in Achaea were actually:

Strength : 18 Dexterity : 14
Constitution: 20 Intelligence: 18

However, it is no longer possible to use your guild skills as a dragon. Thank GOD, because Occultist Dragons were insane. Whatever complaints can be made about Lusternia, our Demigod system has always been wholly sane compared to Achaea's policies.

Malarious- if you're reading this, have your next round of Viscanti testing use all three village influence attacks, from Shock-Awe-Brainwash. I have the feeling that my personal testing on influence means that while Taurians and Brood Viscanti take an identical amount of time to influence with one attack, they take different amounts of time when they use all three. It is of interest to note, however, that Taurians actually take MORE time to influence when they use all three attacks. For Brood Viscanti, I seem to have taken similar amounts of time to influence using just the CR2 attack and all three in tandem.