Purpose. They end up stronger but slower (which should balance out) but the decreased sip bonus is being aided by boost to con. A base attack 4 at lvl 3 balance is now about 3.52 seconds instead of the old 2.8 to 3, thats a fair change.


So you mean make resistances have less effect? Wouldnt that just water down most all races at this point and kind of contradict alot of the work done? They get more con and a sip bonus to help against damage but will take less than they previously would have. Another point of on or something could help but the trade should be they lost half their speed they should be able to survive about 20% longer in combat (lost .5-.7 seconds of speed as such should be able to survive better to even out a bit). Sip and con bonus should equate to a small boost in health and a higher sip of about 10-15% or so.. that number could be horrendously wrong a level one bonus actually.

Yeah, the lag there is pretty nasty. For a while I thought there was a bug with balance bonuses since I seemed to be recovering faster as an aslaran than as a faeling, but then the lag came back and it got slowed down to about where it should be. It makes it tricky to make any sort of good judgment on whether or not something's really "fixed".



I have no idea about monks, so I won't touch on tweaking normal faeling STR, but SL faeling demi is hardly phased on the test server. My damage and wounding output is still very good, particularly compared to races with higher STR and slower balance. I'm very hesitant to say whether or not more STR is really necessary for a non-demi SL faeling at this point. It also seems a bit odd to extend an extra point of STR to them, but not aslarans.

People asked to get more Str for them. Shadowlord will pretty much always be scary. Asalran could get another point I imagine.

I thought the point of female kephera was to be a race with decent health AND mana, only other similar one is lucidians (ignorings specs). Reducing their con would give you another highish mana lowish health race, and we have enough of those.

Except they have level 3 resistance to blunt and cutting.

One thing to note here is that we don't publicly comment on everything we read, even if there is a specific request for admin feedback, or nothing would ever get done (time spent posting here is time spent not doing something in-game). While we try to post updates when it is possible, just because there's not a response doesn't mean your idea has been ignored.

However, from time to time decisions are undertaken that there seems to be minimal or no player support for, and when it's brought up it's met with a simple "No, that will not be considered." That might be contributing more to such frustrations than no answers at all.

Pseudo off topic.

I have a list of changes for Guardians (Currently Nihilist side, believe Talkan is waiting to post his) for those who would request it. No one will be sent it automatically.

At this time divine would need request it in some way as well.

Requests can be PMs or Posts.

All changes are based on guardian combat slowing down.

Pseudo off topic reply.

As a wiccan who has never gone mugwump just so I can kill people better and because it would destroy my RP (so much of it is all about being elfen), I'd like to think you'll consider us as well. Guardians aren't the only burst affliction archetype in need of love.

EDIT: Though I realize I should probably be poking the wiccan envoys about this stuff instead.

Which is not helpful against magic damage, especially with thier new weaknesses.

But on the topic of con and int, Jitwix' fiancee is actually a female kephera druid, and she doesn't think they really need an extra point of intelligence with the other good stuff they have.

Hexes are on a one second base. The changes won't really effect them as much. It was discussed on the envoys channel and any decisions about hexes will be postponed until after the racial changes to see if it is necessary. Cosmic guardians, on the other hand, are much much.

Hexes aren't the issue. It's things like lash, waning and moonburst. (Hexes are still effected a bit too. Not to mention astrology.) Guardians are actually less affected. They already had a balance/eq split between tarot and things like inqui line - which isn't really eq-dependent anyway and will survive this entirely intact. At best they're going to need minor upgrades.

Sweeping changes have traditionally been favoured over precision fine tuning. It's par for the course.

Just as a note, you really can't compare demi to non-demi in this case. There is a huge difference-- I would not be arguing the point if there wasn't. Demigod adds a heck of a lot to the race, but that doesn't mean that pulling down the offense of a race that was balanced for its other specs sans Bonecrusher leaves it still balanced pre-Demigod. Unless, of course, the point is to balance the race at Demigod, which is a bit meh.

I know. At the same time, however, all the races on the other side of the spectrum (high STR, resistances, balance penalties) have received nerfs to keep them more in line with their improved balances (Tae especially, I think they'll be worse off than before the race changes at this pace). If these nerfs are going to stand, I don't think SL faeling really needs to be enchanced anymore to remain comparatively competitive.

This is something that a mid-level warrior would be best off commenting on after trying out different races on the test server.

I tried tae'dae and it seemed like my offense was worse than with my usual race(lobo). The strength doesn't really make up for the speed loss. After testing I was also more convinced about the difference dexterity makes. Maybe I was just unlucky, but I have a much easier time actually giving an affliction as a lobo. Hope somebody proves/disproves this one day.
Also, I know this is a combat balancing thing, but strength doesn't even make a difference in hunting anymore and now that they don't have the sip bonus I think you'd have to be very strange to choose Tae'dae outside of RP.

Shrimp... it's been that way for a while.

Tae'Dae don't really get a lot of love from admin right now for some reason. But it is a hard balance between trying to find the best way to balance slow with enough damage output to make them alright. *shrugs* Especially when most of Lusternia is based on speed pre-changes. I don't know how it's going to look after these changes come into play.

And what about the races on the other end of the spectrum-- high strength, little-to-no-penalties, that aren't being affected at all (such as Elfen Lord)? Which is the more accurate comparison, as it's the competing specialization race.

Well some of us, (me) don't feel very apt at judging. Mostly because I've no idea how to access the test server.

Anyway, from all the playing I've done with the Furrikin, I must say that I'm a bit worried as the racial changes will only bring about negative effects to them as a race.

From my experiences thus far, Furrikin seems like a very well balanced Race. Which means that they're not very good at all. Races need some sort of specialization. They'll make good Mages, but not Warriors. Good Bards, but not good Monks, etc. However, Furrikin are the little brother of Humans. They can do somewhat ok in every guild, but they cannot excel anywhere either. Which makes Furrikin in general a bad choice. Now, with the slash in speed, they just become even worse, because one of their biggest advantages becomes half as effective.

Of course, that's just my POV, and my experience stems only from being a Furrikin Celestine. Am I wrong? Am I right? I don't know, but this is my impression at least.

What you talkn bout Willis!!!