I hate this statement. I really do. It's either a flat out lie or you have no idea what is going on. Anyone who has been on DoK knows there are several Celestine players out there that enjoy, and yes, go out of their way to make people quit.

It's great that you think you and Celest can live in a void and do whatever you want and insist it's not your fault if it effects other players in a negative way. You are wrong, but you are entitled to your opinion.

Her breath smelled like whooped pu**y! Gloria!!

G-L-O-R-I-A!

(And yes Hendrix made that lyric part in a live song)

Now here is a story!

Maggie Carrie and Selena all went to catholic school. The nuns at the school like Sister Esther, Sister Terra, and Sister Eve all beat the children with rulers and such.

Maggie decided to pray for help. And her cries were answered when a Dark Man came to her aid. Maggie gained the power to beat the piss out of her sisters, monkey see monkey do.

Carrie didn't like that so she prayed at an altar thinking it was good to do. Unknowlingy the same dark man dressed in white robes came and gave her some powers to fight back against Maggie.

Meanwhile Selena was just busy with the boys outside of class, but Maggie and Carrie had their own personal war. Finally Carrie overcame Maggie and continued to abuse her. The Dark Man was happy. He never cared who won as long as someone suffered.

Now Carrie follows this Dark Man under the guise of an Angel. And Maggie still refusing to accept another higher power also follows this Dark Man. Unknowingly she is feeding into the power that is given to Carrie and vice versa. The Dark Man will come from time to time to grant a new power to one or the other. But it never matters who is on top to him, since he controls them both!!!!


Woot!!!!

I suck at analogies !!! YARR

I've seen worse, and not too long ago.

I admit. Ildaudid's story just too my head to critical wounding and decapitated me.

Well you are the one who can look at them statistically.. theres not a good way to compare strengths before defenders kill you. But if Nifilhema attacks like her pact and such she does mainly bleeding, which would make her an easy kill, especially for a demigod.

This thread has gone off track but is adressing some real issues.. so lets run with that..

Change the name to something more fitting maybe?

Few tiny points:

Visaeris: The demon lords are not significantly stronger than the Supernals. They should be relatively the same, though Gorgulu is more powerful than his equal-opposite, Raziela. It wasn't very long ago that Estarra posted an announce stating that Raziela was unintentionally more frail than the other supermobs and it was corrected. Still, none of them have anything on Gorgulu. They die because it's silly to go after a mob of that strength with anything less than your entire org. Ta.

Point two: It should not be made more difficult to launch an attack on Demon Lords/Avatars/Supernals, due to things like nexus ripple, liveforest and shrine powers. With those things in place, along with org defenders, it becomes insanely challenging (almost impossible). Also, keep in mind that if changes are made to make them easier to raise, the Star/Necromantate will never come down. It's already hard. The only reason it were possible recently is because the spikes were low. With that said, I don't mind if it's changed, but when Mag is finally organized, they would not have even the slightest chance at watching the Star drop, because the admin will have stepped in to make everything easy.

Also, I don't think Celest will be planning anymore DL raids soon, so that should be a relief to some. It isn't every day that a nexus shield is destroyed. I'm sure everyone will live.

Theres already a list of people quitting or about to quit because their hours and hours of work was all torn down, even novices were helping (mainly in respiking) and then this happens.

I will do a main post once I cover some other topics first.

No, you don't have to.

I'm sorry enthralled, that is strictly wrong. The last event with the priest Nigelo does NOT imply that the Supernal was duped by morgfyre. Assuming this is 1) illogical and 2) arrogant. I'm not stating that YOU are arrogant, but the assumption and the individual who promoted the assumption is arrogant, which I will set out to present below.

Why this assumption is illogical.

To recap the situation. There is a signal (The essence of the Pegasus can revive Raziela) recieved by Elohora
and Morgfyre. Elohora transmits signal to Celest. Morgfyre transmits signal to Nigelo. Nigelo interacts with
Celest. Celest makes the assumption Nigelo is the SAME as the signal transmitted by Elohora. All of
these connections are indepenant.

Now looking back at this, Celest assumes that Elohora and Nigelo are transmitting the same signal.
We find out Nigelo is transmitting his own signal. So Elohora is not equal to Nigelo.

Put another way if I expose a cell to two different chemicals and the output is cancer
I cannot automatically claim cancer was a result of both chemicals. Both MUST be tested independently.


The arrogance comes in when Celest looks at the pathway and says "Ok, where did Nigelo's signal
come in". There are two choices:

1. Assume the players recieved Nigelo's signal, and the players were duped.

2. Assume the original signal was corrupted and Elohora was duped.

The arrogance is in assuming that the players (mortal) have less of a chance of being duped than
the Supernal (semi-Divine and while not infallible, close to it). Occam's razor would have us
look at the situation and ask 'Which individual in the system has more of a resistance to a
corrupted signal?' The answer is Elohora.

Also there is the option Celest has of verifying if Elohora is corrupted or duped BEFORE saying
'La la we won't listen the players know everything.'


This logic is very clear. Catarin makes a cMUD system and she knows two elements that give the
same output are not necessarily involved in the same process. They very likely may be, but a
direct interaction between the two elements must be proven before you can say that.

Its interesting this assumption gives Celest an 'out' to ignore the Supernals. Very cunning.

Wot?

I'm with Malicia. That's totally unnecessary. You don't have to go to that trouble

Ethelon jumped and robbed Meliana in the city while she was enchanting. How is that productive or even sensible? Not only does Meliana -rarely- (if EVER) raid or raise a hand towards Mag (UNLESS ordered to stand as a meat shield in DL killing), she completely minds her own business. This is seriously the first time I have ever heard her say anything even slightly mean or even complain.

So if Ethelon wants to kill people, he should at least try and kill people who deserve it and stand a chance, not people like newbies and passive people like Meliana.

Cry about it. We've had to raise the star and I don't think there are any posts about players overdosing on melodrama and suiciding. Get over it. You're not special because your citiy's shield dropped.

I applaud you. You've finally managed to do what noone has done before you. I do not have a lolcat or demotivational of someone doing a gigantic line of cocaine.

You should work to convince people IC this is the case, posting it here on the boards does not do anything. I agree though it was a clever response and one that I think works well (though I also think many people will ignore it IC).

I am a huge fan of the players having control over events. If they know they are demoralized and need time to regroup they should always feel comfortable ignoring an event that an admin is trying to get them to participate in. There are multiple IC justifications that can be used to cover this, the above by celest is just one example.

I also disagree strongly with your characterizations of Catarin which in my opinion border on a personal attack. Try to address the ideas someone has and leave comments on their motivation or state of mind out of it (when talking about someone ooc which is clearly the context here, if that was not your intent you should make that clear).

By day, he is Enthralled...but by night... ?

(ie. Who is your Celestian character!)

Then you've clearly stopped trying.

I got his point, at any rate. While I think an Elder God can probably trick even a Supernal, Morgfyre in particular, it's still trying to make sense of things. Much better than ignoring the Supernals entirely, because the last time a Celestian Empire did that... well.

Either she didn't mention it in her post or I didn't read it carefully enough (which is very possible, me=sleep deprived). That's awful, never seen Meliana even show up for a raid.

My main concern at this point is how things can be fixed precisely. I imagine the first step would need an event or something or a good way for Magnagora to actually seek a ceasefire with Celest, presuming Celest wouldnt do it themselves willingly (Tell Nars he cant raid and he might just not log in).

I would like to see an image change but how do you change an image thats chiseled in every citizen? How can we lose the dark image when the skillsets even make us look it?
How else can we motivate people? We already offer credits and such for working.

I decided to post very mildly and instead see what people think needs to be done. Back to racial stuff now

I don't do this usually, cuz I don't dislike any mag players except him for the way he acts.

Ethelon is a