Right now it just maks the merian/gorgog area a griefing ground.. but ok when people complain about random novices dying again then we can point out the mistake.. AGAIN.

Though I thought it was already pointed out in this topic people being jumped.

EDIT: I will have to check for the cutest emote ever.. that cant be it!

But Shallach/Presidio is perfectly alright? That's what I'm assuming because I haven't heard you complaining about them.

Thanks for bringing up Shallach.. you can slay orcs.. but cant slay ur'dead. Do the same with gorgog/merian.

I dont hunt presidio so I cant give you much feedback on it, not very familiar with it even.

No, what you said you wanted was to be able to do BOTH merians and gorgogs.

Okay..? And...?

Marinus will always want gorgogs wouldnt he? Gognigin will always want merians wont he? Enemy of my enemy is my ally. Gognigin would attack you on sight for being enemied but would still take your merians. Make gorgogs not enemy would solve the problem, which was the original suggestion.. if gorgogs didnt enemy you could always turn in merian AND it wouldnt be a griefers zone. Honestly I think we would want the same thing, remove the griefability of gorgogs.

How is that the same as Shallach? If it was the same as Shallach, you can kill gorgogs, which don't enemy, but once you kill merians, you can't hand in any gorgogs anymore. Gognigin would also stop paying for merians.

Bolded would be bad.. mind you I dont bash gorgog/merian so I aint arguing for myself.

My concern is it not being anti grief, thats my beliefs specifically. Its just kind of crappy if you cant hand in merians and gorgogs both (like you can in moors.. which I also dont bash anymore really).

That is my point exactly. It's alright for people (except Celest) to be able to hunt/hand in both, but not alright for people (except Magnagora) to hunt/hand in both in Shallach. Which is why this change was made, because Celest has wanted to be able to protect merians because of ur'dead/presidio.

Anyone but Celest CAN hand in merians.. celest could but they wont for obvious reasons.

And the change was to protect merian, so gorgogs shouldnt be enemying which has been the point.

Remove gorgogs as an enemying group.

She's alluding to the fact that if you hunt ur'dead, you're no longer able to hand in orcs.

I have never slain an ur'dead. So you can make it like moors, or you can make it like shallach. Current merian/gorgogs are unlike either.. they both enemy. Gorgogs shouldnt enemy, if they didnt enemy then presumably gognigin would take merians since he cant enemy for slaying merians. Though not sure if marinus would take gorgogs with you enemeid to em, never checked.

Much more conversation then I expected on the topic. Ideas have been either drop both status, drop gorgog status, or drop gorgog status and allow open handing in I think.

Wanted to get the topic a bump though.. since gorgog is still mainly a griefing ground by mechanics.

You are missing the point. Upgrade nihilists, nerf celestines, amirite?

Keep things as they are, I reckon.

Then presume gorgogs is a griefing ground I suppose.

And you are ignorant with the first line Celestines are mostly ok, and I dont need upgrades I need balancing at this point really (speed nerfs HURT).

EDIT: Yes it was meant in good humour/smiling.