aww fine then

And Soji, you are gonna give the impression that all BMs hit for 700+ damage with those weapons and runes silly. They will use them against you unless you clarify it. Also should let them know you probably have ddown up and coal etchings as well.

For those of you with sigs off, I'm Akui- I'm not sure if Shujiro has fire runes on what he was hitting me with, but it would matter, since I'm Aslaran.

I guess what we probably don't want is races that are really tough having as good an overall offenses as races that are less so. Or there's no reason to be the weaker races at all.

When looking at the damage amounts, please keep in mind other classes other than warriors and mages.

Bards can do damage kills, monks I assume can do damage kills, warriors, mages.

It is really annoying hearing people complain about 2k damage from a warrior, and then hear about 2.5K damage from some other class.






There are reasons to be the weaker races. DMP, less hinderance, more agile offense, greater versatility etc.

The issue is that before any of these changes, a damage warrior was more rare than a guild champion.

There should theoretically be 50% speed warriors and 50% damage warriors, or something close to that.

Also is Shuyin wearing that champ helm during these tests? Because that also would add into things.


@Dag: Yeah and they can get that 2.5k without runing weapons... all by war and int karma blessings, and maybe that %magical damage arti.... but not even sure if the some who can hit that even have that arti.

Erm, Forren with the champ staff dosen't even reach 2.5k damage. I'm not sure who you've been sparring. That's not to mention when bards and whoever else damage you, that's all they do. Damage. When warriors hit you for 2k, you also get wounds, maybe a wounds affliction, and maybe a poison. Not to mention some can stun with it too. They aren't really comparable.

edit: for comparison..when I was a mugwump with the champ staff and 18 int, I did maybe 1800 to high health warriors.

He didn't have a +15% magic rune either, he was talking about getting one though, but not sure if he ever did

edit - also as a geo what are your damages poison or something? arent aquas cold That also can play into it. Most people don't have poison vulnerabilities, some have cold vuln's though.... just a side thought

Okay, so I just had the three most scaring people who are runed hit me, and it means ouch.
Race: Aslaran
Here my robes:
Physical cutting: 41
Physical blunt: 57

Trans resilience

DMP against physical added up: Damage Modifier: 35

Soj without helm:
6451h, 6555m, 6210e, 10p, 23400en, 26400w elrxk<>-

With a focused look, Shuyin strikes at you with a frost-streaked steel
broadsword. You are pricked in the gut and bleed slightly.
5220h, 6555m, 6210e, 10p, 23400en, 26400w elrxk<>-

With a focused look, Shuyin strikes at you with a sand-scoured golden
broadsword. You are pricked in the gut and bleed slightly.
3989h, 6555m, 6210e, 10p, 23400en, 26400w elrxk<>-

Your wound status is:
*******************************************************************************
Body Part Wounds Wound Status Ruptures Rupture Status
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Head 0 none 0
Chest 0 none 0
Gut 854 medium 0
Right Arm 0 none 0
Left Arm 0 none 0
Right Leg 0 none 0
Left Leg 0 none 0
*******************************************************************************


Soj with helm:
6451h, 6555m, 6210e, 10p, 23400en, 26400w elrxk<>-

With a focused look, Shuyin strikes at you with a frost-streaked steel
broadsword. You are pricked in the gut and bleed slightly.
5070h, 6555m, 6210e, 10p, 23400en, 26400w elrxk<>-

With a focused look, Shuyin strikes at you with a sand-scoured golden
broadsword. You are pricked in the gut and bleed slightly.
3689h, 6555m, 6210e, 10p, 23400en, 26400w elrxk<>-

Your wound status is:
*******************************************************************************
Body Part Wounds Wound Status Ruptures Rupture Status
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Head 0 none 0
Chest 0 none 0
Gut 1196 medium 0
Right Arm 0 none 0
Left Arm 0 none 0
Right Leg 0 none 0
Left Leg 0 none 0
*******************************************************************************

Desi 20 str:

6451h, 6231m, 6210e, 10p, 23400en, 26356w elrxk /23:02:27.312/<>-

With a focused look, Desitrus strikes at you with a huge damascene steel waraxe.
Your left leg is elegantly struck and swept out from under you, knocking you to
the ground.
3993h, 6306m, 6210e, 10p, 23400en, 26356w elrxkp /23:02:28.656/<>-

~~~~~Don't have Desis wounds, but they were cured in a single application~~~~~

Geb 19 str wounds:
6451h, 6555m, 6210e, 10p, 23400en, 26400w elrxk<>-

With a focused look, Geb strikes at you with a silver hunter's katana. Geb
strikes deep into your right shoulder, which severs a nerve and causes your
entire right side to go numb.
Colors fade and everything becomes dark and black.
5365h, 6555m, 6210e, 10p, 23400en, 26400w elrxkb<>-

You bleed 37 health.
5328h, 6555m, 6210e, 10p, 23400en, 26400w elrxkb<>-
ws

Your wound status is:
*******************************************************************************
Body Part Wounds Wound Status Ruptures Rupture Status
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Head 0 none 0
Chest 0 none 0
Gut 0 none 0
Right Arm 1676 heavy 0
Left Arm 0 none 0
Right Leg 0 none 0
Left Leg 0 none 0
*******************************************************************************

Geb 19 str damage:
6451h, 6555m, 6210e, 10p, 23400en, 26400w elrxk<>-

With a focused look, Geb strikes at you with a claymore of purified steel. Geb
strikes deep into your right shoulder, which severs a nerve and causes your
entire right side to go numb.
Colors fade and everything becomes dark and black.

3831h, 6555m, 6210e, 10p, 23400en, 26400w elrxkb<>-

Your wound status is:
*******************************************************************************
Body Part Wounds Wound Status Ruptures Rupture Status
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Head 0 none 0
Chest 0 none 0
Gut 0 none 0
Right Arm 878 medium 0
Left Arm 0 none 0
Right Leg 0 none 0
Left Leg 0 none 0
*******************************************************************************


So yeah, damage can already be pretty insane, I am not for increasing it. :/

6451h, 6555m, 6210e, 10p, 23400en, 26400w elrxk<>-

With a focused look, Shuyin strikes at you with a frost-streaked steel
broadsword. You are pricked in the gut and bleed slightly.
5070h, 6555m, 6210e, 10p, 23400en, 26400w elrxk<>-

With a focused look, Shuyin strikes at you with a sand-scoured golden
broadsword. You are pricked in the gut and bleed slightly.
3689h, 6555m, 6210e, 10p, 23400en, 26400w elrxk<>-

ICK

And Geb's wounds with a Katana. Are you kidding? That's not even close to tankable.

Edit: Sorry. I can't read.

Aslaran!

And because Krellan asked, this is with trans Magic:

6451h, 6555m, 6210e, 10p, 23400en, 26400w elrxk /23:49:25.640/<>-

A sphere of crackling green energy streaks out of the sky and slams into you. It
sears the flesh from your bones as it rips your skin away in charred strips and
a resounding sonic boom fills your bleeding ears.
4702h, 6555m, 6210e, 10p, 23400en, 26400w elrxk /23:49:26.640/<>-


His zap ^^^^


His cudgel:
6451h, 6555m, 6210e, 10p, 23400en, 26400w elrxk /23:48:18.468/<>-

The end of Krellan's cudgel forms a knotty burl and he points it at you. The
burl pops and ruptures, shooting a barrage of splinters into your flesh.
5298h, 6555m, 6210e, 10p, 23400en, 26400w elrxk /23:48:19.156/<>-

How much bleeding?

140, nothing really worth talking about.

I just hit bashara a bunch of times with him healing, but wearing no armor and no defences. as a tae'dae with 200/155/145 weapons, and 21 str, I killed him in 3 "attacks".

I think maybe each stat should increase by %4 instead of %5. But otherwise I think its good.

With his armor on I was only doing 1800 damage and 250 wounds per combo.

I'm fine with trying that but note that at 4%, you won't reach 45% until around stat 23 (originally it was 20) so most people (except those that can get a 24/25 str) will see a decrease in what they used to do. Maybe that's a good thing!

Because Daganev made me: I'm a level 78 Orclach with lvl 1 racial blunt resistance and Trans Resilience. I had no defenses other than Nightwraith, Immunity, and Thirdeye. Max health: 4278. I was sipping health and sparkles.






This isn't a real test or anything, Daganev just made me post this

Actually, at a certain point he did do over 2k damage to some people per staff, and his staff never missed. I personally only experience 1600 per staff, but then again I played the game of resistance stacking to deal with high damage.

Also, you as a mugwump with the champ staff had a speed bonus, and was hitting with that staff along with a demesne doing more than +1100 damage to that same warrior every 10 seconds if you timed it right. Along with that, you could pop phantoms on a warrior for about 600 every 10 seconds (which could also help hinder and give afflictions), and your demesne can cause hunger that will cause a person to take a good deal of damage, if the person does not keep enough food on his/her person. So, if you are going to compare, compare all that you had in your damage arsenal, not just one aspect of it.

Now do I think warrior damage and wounds are too much right now? Yes, I do agree that is the case. My point concerning you and your example is that you leave out other aspects of your damage offense except for the staff, and then try to compare that to the entirety of the warrior damage offense. You want to make a real comparison that can be taken seriously; you have to compare it all to each other.

Magic damage is pretty laughable. Zap damage on it's own has always been very high. But if you look at the cudgel damage and just one swing, not combo, but one swing from Sojiro's broadsword, he already does more damage+wounds+potential afflictions+poison. Admittedly, there's way more defenses to bypass, but a 5% natural miss rate is minimal compared with ways to easily bypass defenses (power attacks) and the possible damage output. I'm not sure if I made sense there.

I think mugwumps need con boosts though and/or lightning reduction. Very base demigod mugwump health is 4500, meaning no runes, ectera.

Also, while I understand for combat reasons speed bonuses needed to go. Lusternia isn't all PvP. I mean, there's all those points where conflict dies a lot. But besides that point, my main issue is about bashing and bashing speed. There will be no chance whatsoever for any non warrior/monk class to keep up with warriors/monks in terms of bashing speed. For bashing, those classes get either max speed weapons or forms which increase up to maximum speed. Not to mention monks tend to have rushing or hyperactivity at their disposal, but every class has their various advantage abilities. In essence, the only way magic classes could achieve max speed bashing was by going mugwump. With the reduction in speed bonuses, we need a new way to keep up. Only guardian classes have quickening and even then, that costs 3 power for 20 seconds or so.

What we need is some new attack or such that can only be used to attacked denizens and it allows us to attack at the maximum speed level. There are several reasons for this.

1) future events that rely on bashing. I.E. all death events/competitions
2) people already dislike demesnes or being demesne puppets. Add on top that they now are going to be bashing slower than before and people will want to become these classes even less.
3) I lost my train of thought

I also forgot that bards music attacks actually are very fast on their own with improved music. This is the kind of thing druids/mages/guardians/wiccans need. Some kind of adeptness level that will increase their speed (doesn't have to increase damage too) as it rises in adeptness. This would only speed up the particular attack skill for each class.

This is a really important oversight that I haven't heard any consideration on I believe.

How about..
13 5.5%
14 5.5%
15 5.5%
16 5%
17 5%
18 5%
19 4.5%
20 4.5%
21 4.5% <--- 45% here
22 4%
23 3.5%
24 3%
25 2% <--- up to 57.5% here

You mean only for bashing, correct? Just want to make sure it is clear you do not mean pvp. I know you mentioned it in a few sentences above, but I still want to make sure what you meant about increasing base speed of moonburst, nightkiss, ect was only for pve.

right I want it to be just for bashing and I had overlooked that changing those skills would also affect pvp. Ideally, I'd prefer if we all just get a new attack purely for PvE that can't be used to target players and it's speed would match 280 speed weapons/maestro instruments.