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Rika2008-05-01 22:39:05Show/Hide

Xenthos/Desi/Ixion all agree that damage/wounds is constant, so I won't bother testing that more than a few times.

As for 12 strength, I tested more with Bashara, and 12 always comes out doing more than 13 and 14.

With no armour:
12 str
852 damage, 366 wounds
13 str
791 damage, 340 wounds

With 117 blunt resist (insane) fullplate:
12 str
256 damage, 87 wounds
13 str
238 damage, 81 wounds
14 str
247 damage, 84 wounds

117 fullplate makes me sad.

Xenthos2008-05-01 22:39:56Show/Hide

QUOTE(Bashara @ May 1 2008, 06:38 PM) 508101

I made sure of that before we started the first set of tests. Mercy isn't up, and I don't have any other regeneration benefits outside of my natural Orclach regen. The regen doesn't start ticing until at least two-three seconds AFTER I take damage, and I have a punching bag system and my prompt to auto record damage directly after Rika hits me.
Everyone always forgets about me

That's not how regeneration tends to work...

Estarra2008-05-01 22:43:03Show/Hide

If your 12 stat is doing more damage, then you are doing something wrong or there's something else at work that you are missing. There is nothing in the code that could possibly give 12 more damage than higher stats.

Rika2008-05-01 22:43:51Show/Hide

QUOTE(Estarra @ May 2 2008, 10:43 AM) 508105

If your 12 stat is doing more damage, then you are doing something wrong or there's something else at work that you are missing. There is nothing in the code that could possibly give 12 more damage than higher stats.

EVERYTHING else is being kept the same, though.

Desitrus2008-05-01 22:45:30Show/Hide

QUOTE(rika @ May 1 2008, 05:39 PM) 508102

Xenthos/Desi/Ixion all agree that damage/wounds is constant, so I won't bother testing that more than a few times.

As for 12 strength, I tested more with Bashara, and 12 always comes out doing more than 13 and 14.

With no armour:
12 str
852 damage, 366 wounds
13 str
791 damage, 340 wounds

With 117 blunt resist (insane) fullplate:
12 str
256 damage, 87 wounds
13 str
238 damage, 81 wounds
14 str
247 damage, 84 wounds

117 fullplate makes me sad.

Would my 130 make you even sadder? TEEHEE

Rika2008-05-01 22:47:55Show/Hide

QUOTE(Desitrus @ May 2 2008, 10:45 AM) 508108

Would my 130 make you even sadder? TEEHEE

That's what you're getting because there is no such thing as a 130 helm.

Estarra2008-05-01 22:48:04Show/Hide

QUOTE(rika @ May 1 2008, 03:43 PM) 508107

EVERYTHING else is being kept the same, though.

You still have never said how many tests you are doing. You should do multiple tests (at least 20) and average them out.

Xenthos2008-05-01 22:49:29Show/Hide

QUOTE(Estarra @ May 1 2008, 06:48 PM) 508110

You still have never said how many tests you are doing. You should do multiple tests (at least 20) and average them out.

This won't help at all if it's not actually variable.

The question is whether or not 12 itself is variable for some reason.

Rika2008-05-01 22:50:54Show/Hide

QUOTE(Estarra @ May 2 2008, 10:48 AM) 508110

You still have never said how many tests you are doing. You should do multiple tests (at least 20) and average them out.

But it's already been agreed that all 20 tests would be the same.

Faymar, 87 blunt resistance

12 str:
617 damage, 175 wounds
13 str:
573 damage, 153 wounds
14 str:
595 damage, 159 wounds

Xenthos2008-05-01 22:52:06Show/Hide

QUOTE(rika @ May 1 2008, 06:50 PM) 508112

But it's already been agreed that all 20 tests would be the same.

Test size 12's wounding just to be sure.

Estarra2008-05-01 22:52:48Show/Hide

I'll punt it to Roark, but I just think you guys are wrong.

Estarra2008-05-01 22:54:25Show/Hide

Bah, I'll now have to eat Crow.

I just realized what may cause it. Try again!

Xenthos2008-05-01 22:56:00Show/Hide

QUOTE(Estarra @ May 1 2008, 06:54 PM) 508115

Bah, I'll now have to eat Crow.

STAY AWAY!

Ixion2008-05-01 22:56:37Show/Hide

QUOTE(Estarra @ May 1 2008, 06:52 PM) 508114

I'll punt it to Roark, but I just think you guys are wrong.

Which is why we truly appreciate you listening to our testing and input. Thank you.

Experimental vs how it looks in code can be very different, as we've seen multiple times before.

Rika2008-05-01 22:56:37Show/Hide

Estarra ninja weaved me!

Updated chart:

CODE

StrÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â MorningstarÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â FlailÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Difference
9Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 303/556Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 608/261Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â
10Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 323/591Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 646/277Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 20/35/38/16
11Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 341/626Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 684/294Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 18/35/38/17
12Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 379/696Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 761/327Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 38/70/77/33
13Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 394/723Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 791/340Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 15/27/30/13
14Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 409/751Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 821/353Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 15/28/30/13
15Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 428/786Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 859/369Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 19/35/38/16
16Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 447/821Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 897/385Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 19/35/38/16
17Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 469/863Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 943/405Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 22/42/46/20
18Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 492/904Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 989/425Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 23/41/46/20
19Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 519/953Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 1042/447Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 27/49/53/22
20Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 541/995Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 1088/467Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 22/42/46/20
21Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 560/1030Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 1126/483Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 19/35/38/16
22Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 576/1057Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 1156/497Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 16/27/30/14
23Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 587/1078Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 1179/506Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 11/21/23/9

Gap from 11 strength to 12 strength seems a bit big now. And yes, I did retest 11 strength and it was the same as last time.

EDIT: Please eat Crow. No one likes him.

EDIT2: Thanks to Bashara for all your help with these tests.

Bashara2008-05-01 23:13:04Show/Hide

QUOTE(rika @ May 1 2008, 10:39 PM) 508102

117 fullplate makes me sad.

To be fair, that's with Forging runes, but I NEVER leave home without those on, so it's only fair to include them

Also

QUOTE

wp helm
It offers the following defences:
Physical cutting: 107
Physical blunt: 79

Haven't made a blunt version yet

Bashara2008-05-01 23:15:06Show/Hide

QUOTE(rika @ May 1 2008, 10:56 PM) 508118

EDIT2: Thanks to Bashara for all your help with these tests.

Aren't you glad I made you do 'em

Desitrus2008-05-01 23:27:58Show/Hide

QUOTE(Bashara @ May 1 2008, 06:13 PM) 508120

To be fair, that's with Forging runes, but I NEVER leave home without those on, so it's only fair to include them

Also
Haven't made a blunt version yet

4917h, 3216m, 3702e, 10p, 22675en, 14170w elrxkdb<>-
wp plate
It offers the following defences:
Physical cutting: 131
Physical blunt: 97
It is in perfect condition.
It has the following dwarven runes etched upon it in coal:
A dwarven rune shaped like a castle has been etched in coal.
A dwarven rune shaped like a mountain peak has been etched in coal.
A dwarven rune shaped like a rock has been etched in coal.

Bashara2008-05-01 23:38:20Show/Hide

QUOTE(Desitrus @ May 1 2008, 11:27 PM) 508124

4917h, 3216m, 3702e, 10p, 22675en, 14170w elrxkdb<>-
wp plate
It offers the following defences:
Physical cutting: 131
Physical blunt: 97
It is in perfect condition.
It has the following dwarven runes etched upon it in coal:
A dwarven rune shaped like a castle has been etched in coal.
A dwarven rune shaped like a mountain peak has been etched in coal.
A dwarven rune shaped like a rock has been etched in coal.

You have a Mallet and probably spent the time to get that. Some of us have more important and self-sacrificing things to do, like let our bodies be used as punching bags

Unknown2008-05-02 00:11:05Show/Hide

Same conditions as previous. Aslaran and elfen are 18 dex, because Xenthos is a whiner.

CODE

14 Strength (aslaran):
rapiers - 1415 wounds, 599 damageÂ Â Â Â broadswords - 678 wounds, 1222 damage
15 Strength (aslaran):
rapiers - 1481 wounds, 627 damageÂ Â Â Â broadswords - 678 wounds, 1252 damage
16 Strength (merian, 15 dex):
rapiers - 1531 wounds, 638 damageÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â broadswords - 732 wounds, 1306 damage
17 Strength (elfen):
rapiers - 1624 wounds, 689 damageÂ Â Â Â broadswords - 780 wounds, 1404 damage
18 Strength (elfen):
rapiers - 1703 wounds, 722 damageÂ Â Â Â broadswords - 816 wounds, 1472 damage
19 Strength (taurian, 14 dex):
rapiers - 1779 wounds, 735 damageÂ Â Â Â Â Â Â Â broadswords - 850 wounds, 1516 damage
20 Strength (elfen):
rapiers - 1874 wounds, 794 damageÂ Â Â Â broadswords - 898 wounds, 1620 damage
21 Strength (tae'dae, 10 dex):
rapiers - 1922 wounds, 801 damageÂ Â Â Â broadswords - 916 wounds, 1662 damage
22 Strength (igasho, 11 dex):
rapiers - 2013 wounds, 824 damageÂ Â Â Â broadswords - 942 wounds, 1706 damage
23 Strength (tae'dae):
rapiers - 2096 wounds, 839 damageÂ Â Â Â broadswords - 962 wounds, 1742 damage

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Difference (rapiers, dmg):Â Â Â Â Â Â Difference (broadswords, dmg):
14-15:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 28Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 30
15-16:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 11Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 54
16-17:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 51Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 98
17-18:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 33Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 68
18-19:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 13Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 44
19-20:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 59Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 104
20-21:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 07Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 42
21-22:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 23Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 44
22-23:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 15Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 36

Not sure if my values are off, but it seems the magic number is reaching 17 and 20 strength. Someone else might want to check and verify.

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