How about monk specs?

Could races possibly spec specially for bards? So they dont lose the dex but maybe get less of a boost to int or charisma? Maybe a worse penalty to strength?

Viscanti.. doesnt get -2 dex.. gets 1 less int and/or 1/2 less strength. So they can still have some dodging :/ maybe even a bonus to dex and aim to get more rounded or something.

And still..

more <3 for meteor.

I think the biggest problem is Dexterity.

Right now, a normal Faeling makes a better bard then a shadowcaster faeling. The +1 intelligence probably doesn't help as much as the -3 dexterity hinders. Master Viscanti get 8 dexterity, even with Weaving they won't dodge much.

Honestly, the same is true for Elfen, normal Elfen is better then spec Elfen. Merian though get a nice change, with the +3 intelligence and only -1 dexterity.

Monks and Bards could use the same spec format if you think about it. Maybe one or two very minor tweaks between the two.

Monks need str instead of int. They both need high dex, though.

Look, we're not going to raise all stats for bards, i.e., we're not raising intelligence, charisma and dexterity (unless there's a significant cut to constitution). Benefits have to be balanced with cuts and the reason we're not doing monks is because of how awkward and forced it would make it (basically just throwing the base numbers out and making whole new races). It just doesn't work. I'm beginning to think we shouldn't attempt bards either.

The point I was trying to raise is that Intelligence and Dexterity are the most important stats to a Bard. The Mage specs destroy dexterity for bards, while not giving enough of intelligence or Constitituion (which is important to all).

Make a way for bards to not spec in a spec race maybe?

REVERT FORM

or something?

Well, dex is only important for Acrobatic bards. Granted, I think most bards do take Acrobatics, but this might not always be the case.

All bards have to take acrobatics. It's monks that get the option.

I'm sure you wouldn't want to make another Spec for acrobatics and another spec for non-Bards, would be to much coding and to much confusion. But, I'd say it's the best solution.

For now....

Ooh, awesome. I was hoping after racial changes and monk fixes that monks and bards could get an extra spec to even them out with other classes.

There's no way in deepest corners of nil that we'll make a specialization just for acrobatics! And a spec for non-Bards? If it's getting skewed to that point, we just won't have specs for bards.

edit - I missed her post on the prior page.... I wouldn't have posted this question

Jeez people. Leave the admin alone since I'm actually happy with at least HAVING bard specs. Sure the hit to Dexterity is odd, but Acrobatics alone gives you another +2, so you don't have to freak out so much that the admin would consider taking bard specs away now. The INT and CHA are fine since it's easy enough to gain CHA but far harder to gain more INT. DEX isn't everything, though it helps, but I'm at least thankful for these changes that're already out.

Hush Xiel

I am asking about Dwarf Axelords being a feasable choice in PvP, not just in PvE.... I don't care about you bards. So I won't harrass them with bardic questions

I don't see why all weapon spec races need to be offensively oriented. Why not a tankier weapon spec race?

You might not, but there sure are a lot of people throwing things out for bards that might cause admins to reconsider.

They don't but they boosted 2 of the spec races to be compatible with the 3rd spec race which already was good at getting specific wounding.... and left the dwarves alone... so if I get a yes... I am happy... if I get a no from the question... I am not happy, but at least I know and won't bother asking, nor will alot of the people who have posted the statistical info on it and the testing on it, they will probably stop posting too about it... We will all (if we can) switch back and forth between dwarf to bash and human evolved or some other race that is more compatible with ALs when needed to defend our orgs, etc.

This will also be beneficial to all of you because we won't waste precious spaces asking non monk/bard specialization questions ^^

been gone for long... then read the latest announce post...

So dwarves can wound better now? Or no chance yet?