Live Racial Testing

by Doman

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Furien2008-04-27 05:54:46
Just c/ping the HELP files of two+ different races to compare them isn't going to really help much if you don't compare total stats, the actual advantages/disadvantages, etc. :S
Unknown2008-04-27 06:06:36
It's pretty funny that removing 1 lvl off magic resistance and instead adding it to balance (even as meager as it is now) suddenly makes things balanced.

Just look at the disadvantages and advantages, as an example of why that is a Bad Idea, for instance.

Edit: Though on second thought, given the amount of damage mitigation a lvl of resistance gives, it might not be so ridiculous, just odd.
Anisu2008-04-27 06:37:55
I wonder, by nerfing titan and demi did they actually become more killeable or did not matter in the end?
Bashara2008-04-27 06:38:30
QUOTE(Shiri @ Apr 27 2008, 05:28 AM) 506533
Rather than that, resistances should be dropped across the board.



Don't you dare touch my resistances orclach.gif

*Edit*
QUOTE(Anisu @ Apr 27 2008, 06:37 AM) 506548
I wonder, by nerfing titan and demi did they actually become more killeable or did not matter in the end?


In my most brutally honest opinion, the nerf to Demi and Titan was a little harsh, but it's better than what the darker side of my imagination can think of. In the end, though, it still devalues all the time and effort that players put into clawing their way up the exp ladder, and that's never a good thing. However, again, something had to be done about it.

Some people say that now Titan is more preferable than Demigod because of the essence issue, and that the only reason Demigod has any use is Divinefire and Havens. Personally, Demigod is still worth it for that extra con point, but then again, I'm just a n00b unsure.gif
Xiel2008-04-27 07:10:19
I'd say demigod still had it's perks, but yes, they're still considerably hit by the changes. I still wonder why we can't at least have a level 2 regen if not level 3, but they seem to be set at just keeping us at the same regen titans get..which I don't understand, but yeah. Also, just a nudge back to my earlier post on bardic changes and whether or not that goes onto the envoy report as a normal envoy proposition to take up a normal slot, or if it'll go someplace else specifically.
Shiri2008-04-27 07:13:38
Woahhhhhhh man this demigod crap is going to make keeping a throne a BITCH. I really don't want to have to change to warrior...
Anisu2008-04-27 07:40:08
QUOTE(Shiri @ Apr 27 2008, 09:13 AM) 506558
Woahhhhhhh man this demigod crap is going to make keeping a throne a BITCH. I really don't want to have to change to warrior...

by this statement I assume a druid will not even have to try getting a throne then.
Unknown2008-04-27 07:50:43
Turn cameo's back on please, I didn't really waste 1K credits so I wouldn't be able to use it.
Asarnil2008-04-27 07:55:42
QUOTE(Malarious @ Apr 27 2008, 04:24 PM) 506543
You mean you want them to tone down, griefers might make it a point to attack you.
Vitae and Conglute misfiring will actually screw up alot ofpeople though.

They won't be attacking me - I'm not bothering to log on for the next couple of days in the hope that things are fixed by then.

But you know things are borked when you heartstop in your city and have to walk all the way to avechna to reincarnate because no death mitigation skills worked properly for you.
Geb2008-04-27 08:04:14
QUOTE(Anisu @ Apr 27 2008, 07:37 AM) 506548
I wonder, by nerfing titan and demi did they actually become more killeable or did not matter in the end?


They were always killable to me even before I was one myself.
Malarious2008-04-27 08:13:03
QUOTE(Anisu @ Apr 27 2008, 02:37 AM) 506548
I wonder, by nerfing titan and demi did they actually become more killeable or did not matter in the end?


Warriors dont really care and are still just as big a pain to kill really.

Everyone else might notice the 300 extra health a point of con gives.

Loss of regen did alot more than the stat drop did.
Shiri2008-04-27 08:13:26
QUOTE(Anisu @ Apr 27 2008, 08:40 AM) 506562
by this statement I assume a druid will not even have to try getting a throne then.


Being a TFed loboshigaru has made it temporarily possible, but you'd probably have to stick to orb level or something. Some thrones are easier than others too.
Callia2008-04-27 08:18:08
Comparing a crappy race to a slightly less crappy race does not make the slightly less crappy good :-p (Refering to the Aslaran/Furrikin comparison.)

I don't think Furrikin need much help, just a nudge. Aslaran already have champions, I shall champion my critters!

The speed ping is hurting bad, and either str needs to go up, not the preferred fix, or speed needs to go up a tiny bit, but if speed goes up, well I think the Furrikin should lose something, I don't think any race should have level 3 anything, so it seemed natural to axe Magic Resistance to 2, and up the balance, but we will see...
Xiel2008-04-27 08:31:20
QUOTE(Shiri @ Apr 27 2008, 01:13 AM) 506568
Being a TFed loboshigaru has made it temporarily possible, but you'd probably have to stick to orb level or something. Some thrones are easier than others too.


Don't forget though that Krellan managed to actually maintain Crown level Justice as a rogue Hartstone, so I'd think she'd at least have a chance if she does things right and goes for a manageable throne.
Geb2008-04-27 08:33:07
QUOTE(Malarious @ Apr 27 2008, 09:13 AM) 506567
Warriors dont really care and are still just as big a pain for me to kill really.


Fixed it for ya. You can only use yourself as an example of how hard it is to kill a Demi-warrior. I personally never found them any harder to defeat than normal warriors of equal skill and equipment.
Bashara2008-04-27 08:35:57
QUOTE(tenqual @ Apr 27 2008, 07:50 AM) 506563
Turn cameo's back on please, I didn't really waste 1K credits so I wouldn't be able to use it.


Turn it in for something better.


QUOTE(geb @ Apr 27 2008, 08:04 AM) 506565
They were always killable to me even before I was one myself.


That's not saying much, Geb. You're overpowered in just about every sense of the word tongue.gif


QUOTE(Malarious @ Apr 27 2008, 08:13 AM) 506567
Warriors dont really care and are still just as big a pain to kill really.


I may totally be missing the point, but aren't warriors generally hard to kill in just about every game ever made?


QUOTE(Callia Parayshia @ Apr 27 2008, 08:18 AM) 506569
The speed ping is hurting bad, and either str needs to go up, not the preferred fix, or speed needs to go up a tiny bit...



If the faster races start getting extra strength, then the formula for determining how much bonus damage strength gives needs to be addressed. It needs to be addressed anyway because the high power, slower races lose out when compared to the lower power but faster races. See above dry.gif
Unknown2008-04-27 08:36:53
Just a note to people that are talking about increasing the amount to which stats affect damage at the higher stat values: while your points are very valid and need to be addressed, also keep in mind that no one wants to go through Achaea syndrome where you had people at the upper stat values running around and damage-killing everyone that stood still long enough. That isn't any more fun or balanced than the current system where you're punished for picking high-stat high-drawback races.
Furien2008-04-27 08:39:37
As for Krellan, he's got arties. If it was a regular Hartstone like me, even counting that I'm Kephera, it's likely not going to happen.
Malarious2008-04-27 08:41:00
QUOTE(Bashara @ Apr 27 2008, 04:35 AM) 506574
That's not saying much, Geb. You're overpowered in just about every sense of the word tongue.gif
He knows that.. knights in fullplate cant really talk about how easy it is for them either since they dont get insta .

I may totally be missing the point, but aren't warriors generally hard to kill in just about every game ever made?
Yes and no. They are powerful but not to the same extent being tendoned every few seconds is here. Low mana usually balances them out but low mana from surge here is 5000K in some cases.


Geb knows hes crazy powerful. Really its kind of annoying to hear warriors talk about how other warriors arent hard. Since they all seem to forget fullplate vs robes.

EDIT: The demigod spec topic opened bringing back the old stuff.
Geb2008-04-27 08:52:33
QUOTE(Malarious @ Apr 27 2008, 09:41 AM) 506577
Geb knows hes crazy powerful. Really its kind of annoying to hear warriors talk about how other warriors arent hard. Since they all seem to forget fullplate vs robes.

EDIT: The demigod spec topic opened bringing back the old stuff.


Ohm Malarious, Thoros use to kill Demigod warriors as a Nihilist. Forren killed demigod warriors as a Mage. Narsrim killed Demigod warriors as a Celestine, Bard, and Mage. All of those people I mentioned were in robes.