Talking to envoys is easy. You're doing it right now.

Actually getting things in is a bit more tough. Each guild gets one suggestion per month, so it can be a long process sometimes.

I have to say that looking over these, I've noticed that the Bard specs just switch stat points around whereas the two other specs have a net GAIN of stat points (in the case of elfen lord, for instance, they get +8 to the base stats!). Therefore, it is easy to surmize that spec races should not fall under the "equal give, equal take" philosophy, and nstead should see a gain of stat points.

Edit: To go furthe: Master Viscanti get+1 to base, Brood Viscanti get +7 to base, Imperial Merian get +2 to base, Merian Lord get +10 to base, Shadowcaster Faeling get no net gain (why? ), Shadowlord Faeling get +3 to base.

They're all losing irrelevant strength and a bit of slightly relevant size though. It's not like warriors where they lose much more relevant stats like INT.

+1 strength for non-Demi Shadowlords, please.

The point isn't to -what- they go into, the fact remains that there's a net gain of stat points. The only specs hat don't get a net gain are high elfen and SC faeling

The point is totally what they go into though. If, say, mugwump lost 4 str points and gained 4 int points it would totally not be balanced. If they lost 4 int and gained 2 dex, 2 str they'd suck. Stats are valued differently.

No Shiri, the point is that there's a net gain in stats. Is this a difficult concept to comprehend? "This argument is based upon the fact that there's a net stat gain!" does not mean "this argument is based upon where stat points are raised". Stick to the topic at hand, Shiribot *pet*

Ok. So while we do that, let's take a few int off master viscanti and add it to STR. There won't be a net stat gain so it doesn't make any difference.

Viscanti kinda get the crap end of the deal in the bard specs. 14 int 12 charisma 10 dex? Wtf kind of bard is that. Compare it with faeling 16 int 17 charisma 18 dex. That's insane. Even though faeling have only 9 con and viscanti have 14 con, viscanti have a lv 2 sip penalty while faeling has a lv 3 sip bonus.

Viscanti also have the level 2 resistances to relevant damage though. Seems like blunt, cutting and magic should add up to ABOUT 2 int and 5 cha, because cha doesn't matter all that much.

Thoros would be right, though, if dex matters more than I think it does to bards. What bard skills do people think rely on dex, exactly? I hear it doesn't for dodge.

I've heard rumours that dex does work for dodging but I've never seen for myself. But that's what I'm going to assume since everybody says that anyways. Would like to know for sure if dodging is based off dexterity.

So would I. Someone with dodging should test it. If dex -does- matter you're probably right and viscanti bards might use an upgrade (or faeling bards a downgrade.)

I'm sure that viscanti are just crippled without their size and strength as a bard. If anything... they benefit the most from the buffs from base races. + 4 good stats equal to -4 strength/size? It seems so unfair that others only get + and - 3! Please... you have all lost your right to discuss such topics regarding balance.

Yes, let's nerf faeling bards when they only have 2k health at lvl 90. That is obviously the best thing to do, completely logical and in no way a bloody stupid idea.

I seriously doubt dex has anything to do with anything, and I want to know why we gain charisma? what the hell does charisma have to do with anything? I'm a bard therefore I should be an influencer?

Base faeling health @ level 90 is 3270.

You missed the point entirely, I'm disappointed.

...the point where you're trying to make faeling bards out to be much weaker than they actually are?

2k health? Yes, a problem. Over 3k health with incredibly high int/cha/dex? Not so muchc.

Ok just tested...dexterity doesn't seem to effect dodging.

Viscanti bards probably don't need to worry much then. Unless it affects something else critical for bards.