...if DEX doesn't matter for Dodging, could we have more INT and sacrifice DEX for it, prz? -twiddle-

Heh.

And just when we all thought DEX was becoming more relevant, turns out it wasn't.

Just not as relevant for bards, still relevant for other spec'd races/archetypes

Dex is still important for combat stances y'know. 10 dex bard is gonna get squished by warriors.

I like how all the bards didn't want the caster specs because of dex, grandstanding about how much it matters, then...failing.

A 10 dex bard is better off against warriors than a 10 dex mage or druid.

Viscanti still do not specialised. As a Master Viscanti I have Viscanti stats + Titan.

I don't think bards can ever really classify as squishy. Even as a faeling. Go go illusory self.

didn't I make that point already?

I have no idea. You didn't post on the last page and I can't be bothered to scroll back 3 or 4 to find it.

I might be inclined to believe that if every other thing I hear about dexterity didn't fall into question or get disproven.

How many tests did you do to see the effect of dex?

Try 100 at one dex, and another 100 at a higher dex.

Some bards don't use illusions. Those bards are VERY squishy.

Well that's their fault. They have the non squishy options at their disposal. Especially since glamours was made specifially with bards in mind.

You people arn't going to convince me that Dex and Cha actually matter so much to a bard that if I have such high Dex and Cha I am therefor OP.

I'm not going to go Shadowsinger Faeling only to have my Con lowered DRASTICLY, and my Int upped by 1? with a +1 Cha that doesn't even help me at all. All that for higher Dex when it doesn't effect anything and Charisma that I don't use becuse I don't influence.

Likewise, you aren't going to convince me that Shadowsinger Faeling is UP.

What are you comparing them to? And just because you don't influence doesn't mean other people can't influence. Don't like that faeling have high charisma at the expense of other stats? Don't go faeling then.

If human does indeed have the exact same line as magic class humans then you are looking at purely nice stats. As a demigod human (mind you with archlich and tf) I have no longer than 17 in any stat, 17 str, 17 dex, 18 con, 20 int, and 16 charisma without any defs (other than archlich).

Thats a very nice line up considering throne and netzach werent included or any karmic blessings either.

It's my spec race and it's the worst out of all 4, I have a right to complain about it.

On the topic of names, no other ideas besides -singer? A few more came to mind... Minstrel Merian, Melodic Merian, or going by the Starhymn skill, then Starblessed, Starkissed, Starstruck, Starsong/Starsung, or Starlit (though this one is already used around the guild...)

So evidently, it's only Geomancer specialisation that's broken. All Geo master viscantis have 12 int instead of 15

I did some testing on sip penalties today. I went to astral and had an urn beat on me while I sipped health. I had no regen at the time, I used no other methods of healing, and I made sure not to count sips that brought me up to my maximum health. My constitution was 14 in both tests and my maximum health was 4380 in both tests. I sipped 50 times in each test.

As a Master Viscanti (level 2 sip penalty), the raw values were:

Which gives a total of 32171 and an average of 643.

As a Kephera (no sip penalty or bonus), the raw values were:

Which gives a total of 37809 and an average of 756.

That is a difference of 113 on the average sips, so by those numbers a level 2 sip penalty equates to a 15% lower sip (113/756 = roughly 0.15).

I don't think that's that bad, given the impressive resistances and regeneration that Viscanti get, and considering the fact that the sip penalty does not affect sparkleberry or healing scroll or regeneration. In conclusion, Viscanti are a decent race now! I might actually stick to it after the changes.