Why not just take a larger size?

Dexterity. Otherwise, all demigods will end up being walking igasho with intelligence. IE Lots of deepwounds but nothing to use them with.

Give us suggestions to consider! (Note how much I kept asking for ideas for benefits of small size.)

BTW, the envoys and I have been briefly discussing the size changes and we will probably either: (1) limit the +/- str/dex buffs to 3; or (2) increase the size of shadowlords. Also, we were discussing lowering the amount of health that size gives (currently a flat 10 hp per size point). Feel free to weigh in!

Dex doesn't do that much. Certainly not as much as str. This seems like a really easy choice. If I benefit more from str than dex, and I have a way to trade str for dex, I'm going to trade str for dex. If I decide str has diminishing returns, I'm going to trade a little less str for dex. In either case, I'm going to thank the admin for the demigod upgrade.

I would suggest changing dexterity to affect the chances of stancing or parrying working. This will mean demigod warriors (EDIT: Actually, anything) will actually have more of a reason to want a lower size.

Again, why not just take a larger size? Aren't warriors stereotypically large? I know I'd probably sit with a small size, just because I gain more from dex than str. Warriors would have the opposite. You don't have stun and writhe to work through anymore, so I can't see any reason to insist on a reason for everyone to want every possible size.

Yeah, I have to agree this is a good decision. I have to say that when I was reading it, I was really thinking hard about Shadowlord dexterity. I'd be more inclined to go for #1, simply for RP purposes (going on your "1 size is half a foot" difference, being a foot taller than other Faelings, or +50%, is already pretty significant).

Uh, why? These are some nice changes. With enlarge and diminish you can even tweak your dex and str a tiny bit. Demigods can knock off a few str or dex to do more damage or wounds, or to hit afflictions a bit more often. OR *gasp* they can just not change sizes. If anything, this is making warrior races more flexible, I can actually see this buffing some warriors...which worries me. Blocking is generally more useful for your allies, not the warrior. My alt is a monk, and I plan on using diminish to buff my dex a bit. Very nice changes.

It has, by no means, screwed warrios.

On another note, I have 200 extra health! Very nice.

edit: okay 150 extra health. No, don't change the health bonuses! It's pretty negligable at high levels but is actually kind of nice for the lower levels.

Yeah, either will be kind of necessary. As it is right now, this is possible:



... which just isn't right. Especially considering that Tae and Igasho will still have their balance penalties if they neuter their strength for dex through size (That's without any dex kabobs or antler spheres, by the way. I could still enhance my dex if I found it lacking.)

It strikes me that there's something majorly wrong with these numbers, in that you *should* technically be getting a lot more than 18 strength at that size.

Demigod, 13 strength base at size 6, no? Then up that to size 24-- that should be +6 str/-6 dex weighted.
Flex, bear, and +6 strength comes out to +10 weighted strength... which caps out at +6, I believe (I don't have access to the HELP BUFFS scroll right now, maybe you can post it for me). You should have the same strength even 6 size points smaller than you are, so it seems a bit self-limiting for a Warrior anyways. Capping it at 3 changes should still have you at 17 strength, and one Gedulah cast away from 18 (with higher dex).

You're correct. I wasn't paying particular attention along the way up, since I was busy trying to find food so I wouldn't starve to death (expanded a little too quickly), but I think the +STR is weighted while the -DEX is unweighted.

But since I started out with 20 DEX base at size 6, shouldn't I be at 14 DEX? Maybe there's already some sort of limiting factor involved.

The -dex seems weighted, too (remember that the first 2 points don't actually weigh). You started at 20 base dexterity, and went down to 16. -4 total dexterity lost from -6 weighted dex, which I believe is the equivalent gain from +6 weighted dex.

Test this. I remember Dex not influencing much your affliction chance.

Buffs cap at +5, Xenthos.

Thanks. That explains a disparity.

Is that achieved by +8 weighted or more?

Yep. 1, 2-3, 4-5, 6-7, 8+

Oh, right! And since you can never get more than +5 total from a given stat no matter how many buffs you pile up, 18 will always be my ceiling. If that's the case, I can probably keep 18 STR while shrinking back down some to reclaim some DEX.

Perfect.

That means that any more than 4 of these +3 size changes for (most) warriors is completely pointless anyways.

Flex + Bear
or
Flex + Geburah

comes out to +4 total weighted strength (3 from flex, one from the others). Expanding four ranges gives another 4 weighted strength. Expanding any more past that point gives absolutely nothing, except further decreasing dexterity, due to having Flex and another +strength ability. So, capping it at 3 changes won't actually impact much (it just removes 1 weighted strength). That can still be gained from herofete, truefavour, etc, bringing the warrior to the buff cap.

Yep, exactly my point.