So, at size 20 a SL faeling demigod can have 18 STR and 17 DEX. I'm all for a +3/-3 ceiling.

Like I just said, that won't actually change anything. A highmagic SL will reach the buff cap with Geburah. A lowmagic one will reach the buff cap with a truefavour or a herofete. Limiting it will just remove +1 weighted strength, which can be regained through other means.

It'll really need to be a +2/-2 ceiling to actually have an impact. Otherwise, everyone's still reaching the buff cap relatively easily. (Well, Demigods at least)

Don't forget about Domoth.

Domoths are (supposed to be) less reliable (even if they actually don't work out that way), so I didn't include them. But, yes, the +2 weight from the war throne would still put any Demi warrior at the strength buff cap even with a +2/-2 cap, without any further work.

Xenthos, no more complaints about Shadowlord being worse than elfen lords!

Well, keep in mind that this is about Demis. My other argument was aimed more at non-Demis (and yes, I'm still very thankful for that being addressed!).

That said, I am pointing out that even the limiting being suggested may not have the desired effect on Shadowlord Demis due to the way buffs already work. We'll still be reaching the cap very easily.

Maybe it should be +1 STR for -2 DEX and +2 DEX for -1 STR? Though I suppose that would be too useful for monks and bards.

Actually, maybe it doesn't have to be linear like that...
+1 str for -2 dex for every 3 size points greater than your race's standard.
+1 dex for -2 str for every 3 size points lower than your race's standard.

And then cap that at +3. It'll still get warriors within 1 weighted strength of the cap, but at the same time, losing 6 weighted dex...

Quick pop in to this topic.

Should one ever be able to lift and throw one person at another, I think size would certainly come into play.

But with the recent changes, it looks like it might be better to be big. Might be.

I haven't seen this stuff in action yet, but this change looks like a pretty big buff to beckon since double blocking is no longer 100% reliable. Also, how does this affect riding block?

The blocking change is pretty dumb imo. There will be many complaints from all sides when people start getting beckoned from exits which are blocked by allies.

Plus us warriors appreciate the nerf to blocking.

Oh, I didn't even think of beckon. Yeah, that's a really bad change actually...

All fear the beckon if your blocker isnt size 25 (which means lowered dex).

Yea, I think the change to block is a bit ridiculous as well.

So if I'm size 1 and the people blocking the exit are size 12+, it should be hard to beckon me out?

In theory, but if one of the blockers is smaller than the other one during a double block one of the blockers will get yanked and you are all screwed.

How does blocking with a mount work now then..?

It seems to be the same. Xiel at size 4 was really easy to get past with me being size 17.

Hmm. I guess I'll go back to my beckon while sitting trigger.

Might want to bug that just in case.

Sitting doesn't stop beckoning anymore? Well now I have something new to whine about. Let's see if perfectfifth can keep me in place (never actually tested it against beckonings/summons/etc).