Vernal Ascension and Demigods

by Rika

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Unknown2008-05-05 16:03:16
This one time, I heard he bashed so much, that he had enough essence to zap the Soulless gods into submission, true story! ninja.gif
Doman2008-05-05 18:22:29
That's the truth behind the Ascension, he just gives someone a lock of his hair, sending them towards godhood, and then giving Ketheru an angry glance. Crisis Averted
Ildaudid2008-05-05 19:01:14
I honestly have to agree, that raising a level 50 who can fight to a VA is a much wiser choice than raising a demigod. Celest was smart about their decision. Malicia made it through strategically since she is able to fight and was no where near being a demi. But all in all it was a good choice like Geb said.

That said, why would an org want to waste the power to raise a demi anyways, especially if there was no benifit to it. Or a very crappy benifit. If a demi could keep their essence to an extent that is feasable, it would be a better setup. This means the demis who bashed/influenced their way up there are not punished for their bashing past. Also it would make it smart for orgs to use a high essence demigod so they could carry their essence into the Ascendant skillset and not be way behind a level 50-95 player raised who had no essence when they ascended.

Or they could always make it so people who were non-demi's prior to ascendance only gained 1/2 the essence of one who was a demi. But that seems a bit unfair in general, and would probably not the right way to go about it.

As for now, I doubt Serenwilde would raise a demi. Magnagora should NOT even think of raising a demi if they want to even begin to participate in domoths. They are so far behind though I doubt that they will ever be able to participate without raising at least 4-5 VA's to help the demi's they already have there. Celest, like Geb stated is not going to choose a demi if they need to raise another VA. And Glomdoring raising Kaervas might be wise if he will end up as a VA with enough essence. It would probably be wiser to hope the admin work it out to be more benificial to raise a demi then bring in Kaervas so he would end up with a larger perk since he is a demi and his essence count is really high. But it is their decision to make. My opinion would be try to get a change with it before he goes VA, or at least find out if they are willing to consider rewarding demis who go VA more instead of the punishing of them (so to speak)
Rika2008-05-14 06:16:04
Bump.

Ok, now that we've seen transcendant ascendance (120 million essence), I can now say that demigods have absolutely no advantages when going for Vernal Ascendant. Can we please give them some? Or should all people who are demigods but still want a chance at VA die a lot of times to lose demigod/titan so they even things up?
Tervic2008-05-14 06:50:57
QUOTE(rika @ May 13 2008, 11:16 PM) 511976
Bump.

Ok, now that we've seen transcendant ascendance (120 million essence), I can now say that demigods have absolutely no advantages when going for Vernal Ascendant. Can we please give them some? Or should all people who are demigods but still want a chance at VA die a lot of times to lose demigod/titan so they even things up?

umm... do you mean True Ascendant? Since VA is the one where you use 1million nexus power and TA is the one that happens once a year.
Doman2008-05-14 06:52:43
No, she means Vernal. There's no real reason for a Demigod to go Vernal. She says Ascendance is not a big deal, and you get another domoth fighter if you raise a non-demi
Furien2008-05-14 06:55:26
Even with this new discovery, I'm pretty sure that (at least in Serenwilde) VAs will still be chosen on their merits, with much less focus on their level, which was part of a considerable debate in the very first Vernal thing.
Rika2008-05-14 06:58:46
QUOTE(Furien @ May 14 2008, 06:55 PM) 511982
Even with this new discovery, I'm pretty sure that (at least in Serenwilde) VAs will still be chosen on their merits, with much less focus on their level, which was part of a considerable debate in the very first Vernal thing.


No, I can with 99% confidence tell you that with how things are currently, no demigod will ever be raised in the Serenwilde (or in most places) so long as there is a suitable non-demi. Remember, Nejii was the very first VA, when the Domoth realms was still relatively new. Now, we've had time to realise how much the domoths can actually do for us.
Gwylifar2008-05-14 12:28:46
Seems like people are therefore being penalized for having put in the hard work and dedication that should demonstrate being possibly a good candidate. It really makes sense for the power cost to depend on the levels gained in some way.
Catarin2008-05-14 12:37:50
It's not particularly fair to demigods who are good candidates for Ascendance but the incentive to raise them should not really be huge as then non-demigods won't have much of a chance. Let's say it cost half power to raise a demigod. Well, why raise a non-demigod when you can raise two demigods for the price of one non-demi? Though I suppose getting that extra domoth fighter could be worth it but given the current domoth situation (i.e. boring and static) I doubt that is going to matter quite so desperately.
Shiri2008-05-14 13:30:59
QUOTE(Catarin @ May 14 2008, 01:37 PM) 512018
It's not particularly fair to demigods who are good candidates for Ascendance but the incentive to raise them should not really be huge as then non-demigods won't have much of a chance. Let's say it cost half power to raise a demigod. Well, why raise a non-demigod when you can raise two demigods for the price of one non-demi? Though I suppose getting that extra domoth fighter could be worth it but given the current domoth situation (i.e. boring and static) I doubt that is going to matter quite so desperately.


Equally, for as long as it remains "boring and static" (i.e until absolving is changed, probably) it doesn't matter that much whether your workers are ascendants or demigods. The value for raising a combatant from level 80ish to demigod is almost always going to be more than raising demigods from 2 demigods to aegis-users. The ascendant time boosts are handy for convenience but unless absolving is changed that won't matter all that much as it never really goes to time.
Rika2008-05-15 05:01:55
QUOTE(Catarin @ May 15 2008, 12:37 AM) 512018
It's not particularly fair to demigods who are good candidates for Ascendance but the incentive to raise them should not really be huge as then non-demigods won't have much of a chance. Let's say it cost half power to raise a demigod. Well, why raise a non-demigod when you can raise two demigods for the price of one non-demi? Though I suppose getting that extra domoth fighter could be worth it but given the current domoth situation (i.e. boring and static) I doubt that is going to matter quite so desperately.


That's why there is a cap with this suggested change, and even then, that status will need to be worked for.