Kickapoo Mafia

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Diamondais2008-05-12 17:45:48
QUOTE(daganev @ May 12 2008, 01:37 PM) 511367
umm, a bit defensive?

I'm going to Vote Thoros, he's been too quite and Shayle hasn't had a chance to explain herself yet.

I'm not being defensive at all. confused.gif I was just commenting on what you said.

Do I need to put smilies in every post to come off as casual like I intend? unsure.gif
Daganev2008-05-12 17:58:24
Any word from Veracruz, Exeryte , or Revan?

Bueler? Bueler?
Unknown2008-05-12 18:39:56
QUOTE(Shou @ May 12 2008, 01:16 PM) 511355
Funny, I can see what Arix is getting at here. I haven't played Mafia before (well... I did once a long time ago, but I was the first to get lynched sad.gif), but if the point of the Mafia is to trick people into thinking they're townies, then you can take everything everyone says as true, or on the other hand you can read it to be the exact opposite of their intentions... which in that case makes Shamarah very suspicious. But I really don't know if Shamarah is the type of person to do that. It feels like playing a game of poker, it's hard to tell how people play until they win, lose, and/or you catch their bluff.


That is definitly a part of the game. Town figures out who is bluffing and Mafia bluffs. And yeah, Shamarah could be suspicious as he sort of feels like he is trying too hard to prove that he is working with the town. In the same sense things from him sometimes just feel like he is over thinking what people say.
Kaalak2008-05-12 18:59:34
I reserve my decision until I return this evening. Didn't vote because I saw Iron Man yesterday. Awesome.
Shamarah2008-05-12 19:19:16
Daganev, I agree with parts of your list and disagree with others. I think it'd be hefpful if you gave your reasons for finding the ones you marked as suspicious.
Shamarah2008-05-12 19:23:32
QUOTE(Shou @ May 12 2008, 01:16 PM) 511355
Funny, I can see what Arix is getting at here. I haven't played Mafia before (well... I did once a long time ago, but I was the first to get lynched sad.gif), but if the point of the Mafia is to trick people into thinking they're townies, then you can take everything everyone says as true, or on the other hand you can read it to be the exact opposite of their intentions... which in that case makes Shamarah very suspicious. But I really don't know if Shamarah is the type of person to do that. It feels like playing a game of poker, it's hard to tell how people play until they win, lose, and/or you catch their bluff.


I don't know what you're trying to say here. Obviously, if I were mafia (which I'm not, BTW) I would be trying to make you think I was a townie. That's kind of a big part of the game...
Daganev2008-05-12 19:26:54
QUOTE(Shamarah @ May 12 2008, 12:19 PM) 511383
Daganev, I agree with parts of your list and disagree with others. I think it'd be hefpful if you gave your reasons for finding the ones you marked as suspicious.


I thought I did explain my reasoning...

Which ones in particular are you curious about?
Shamarah2008-05-12 19:52:17
Well, you marked Revan, Shayle, and Thoros as very suspicious, but only explained why for Shayle.
Unknown2008-05-12 19:57:13
Hmm I just want to clarify something then, is every single thing we post here a part of the game e.g. potential clues, or only when we're in our 'roles'? huh.gif
Xenthos2008-05-12 20:00:49
QUOTE(Shou @ May 12 2008, 03:57 PM) 511390
Hmm I just want to clarify something then, is every single thing we post here a part of the game e.g. potential clues, or only when we're in our 'roles'? huh.gif

Every single thing posted here is a part of the game.
Shamarah2008-05-12 20:17:58
What do you mean, 'roles'? This isn't a roleplaying game D:
Shayle2008-05-12 20:18:26
I'll explain myself, Daganev, but you won't like me any better for it. smile.gif

You see, like I know Xenthos, I know you. We're all close and stuff. And I sometimes, I just get a gut read on things. And actually, even moreso now.

I'm sticking to my guns: Vote:Daganev

But you're still the best IC dad I've even known. wub.gif
Daganev2008-05-12 20:38:21
QUOTE(Shamarah @ May 12 2008, 12:52 PM) 511389
Well, you marked Revan, Shayle, and Thoros as very suspicious, but only explained why for Shayle.


Oh, thier silence.

I'd expect them to be doing more WTH posts tongue.gif

QUOTE(Shayle)
"I'll explain myself, Daganev, but you won't like me any better for it.

You see, like I know Xenthos, I know you. We're all close and stuff. And I sometimes, I just get a gut read on things. And actually, even moreso now.

I'm sticking to my guns: Vote:Daganev

But you're still the best IC dad I've even known.


Hmm, I see. But that just makes less sense now. If you knew me that well, you should have known that I would be absent for the weekend, so there shouldn't have been anything to suspect me with. Which makes you seem even more suspicious now. I'm thinking that you want me lynched so that I can't say anything when I notice you acting suspicious!
Daganev2008-05-12 20:39:35
QUOTE(Shou @ May 12 2008, 12:57 PM) 511390
Hmm I just want to clarify something then, is every single thing we post here a part of the game e.g. potential clues, or only when we're in our 'roles'? huh.gif


It's a wierd metagame thing. You have roles, but its not roleplaying. Its like playing WoW tongue.gif
Okin2008-05-12 21:36:54
It seems like we have quite a few people who want to be good townies but have no idea what to look for, so they come off as - shall we say, inept. This is unfortunate, because "coming off as inept" is actually a viable mafia strategy. So, in the interests of being helpful (and a good townie!):

-Posting very little is suspicious (it's called 'lurking'), because mafia might do this to avoid being considered for lynching at all. However, people do have RL commitments, so obviously it's not surefire.

-Always voting with the group is suspicious, because it indicates a disinclination to examine what's actually going on and a desire to get a lynch as quickly as possible. Of course, we need a large group to lynch, and someone might have a convincing argument for voting for someone, so again it's not surefire.

-Voting in a consistent 'bloc', or defending one or more people consistently, is suspicious. It indicates outside knowledge (or irrationality). If someone defends someome who later turns out to be mafia (or who survives till very late in the game), that person needs to be lynched.

Of course, doing the opposite of any of these too much is also suspicious, because it looks like you're trying too hard to be a good townie and there are times when the above activities are acceptable (except lurking, don't do that. An active game is a fun game.)

I'mma keep my vote on Veracruz for now, because best-case scenario he's a very-low activity townie and that's still a good lynch. I'm going to uni now, so you won't see me for a good 12 hours.
Daganev2008-05-12 22:00:19
Why did you choose Veracruz of all the inactive folk? (guess i'll have to wait 12 hours to hear a response? sad.gif )
Exeryte2008-05-12 22:08:03
After looking over the earlier pages:

QUOTE(Othero @ May 9 2008, 08:05 PM) 510470
All I see is a lot of random kills before we start to find the Mafia which would be very messy.

QUOTE(Othero @ May 9 2008, 09:22 PM) 510513
Well, as I learned it on the first day people put pressure on others in the idea that they will give some information that we can then work with.

It really sounds like a Mafia member trying to quietly fit in with the Townies.

Vote: Othero
Daganev2008-05-12 22:23:00
QUOTE(Exeryte @ May 12 2008, 03:08 PM) 511452
After looking over the earlier pages:

It really sounds like a Mafia member trying to quietly fit in with the Townies.

Vote: Othero


I clicked the option to have a printable version of the topic, and searched for "we" and my initial search came up with this.

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Posted by: Kaalak May 9 2008, 05:11 PM
Well I don't know guys. Before we point fingers randomly I'd like some more information.

Looks like the mafia got a drop on us...so I'm guessing they outnumber the townies by about
two?


Posted by: Shamarah May 9 2008, 05:15 PM

QUOTE(Kaalak @ May 9 2008, 08:11 PM)
Well I don't know guys. Before we point fingers randomly I'd like some more information.

Looks like the mafia got a drop on us...so I'm guessing they outnumber the townies by about
two?




I'm... not sure what you're talking about. If the mafia outnumbered us, they would have already won.


Posted by: Ildaudid May 9 2008, 05:31 PM
Aye, I hope we have some investigators.... especially when players have different names. Hard to tell who is who.. I will wait until I hear more before making a vote.


Posted by: Xavius May 9 2008, 05:36 PM
I'm looking for a man named Tyler. If Tyler would be kind enough to post his last name, I'm sure we could save his arse from the random lynch train.

Posted by: Shiri May 9 2008, 06:06 PM
I don't think mass roleclaim is gonna work out that well. Roleclaim forcing is kind of a necessary evil and it also puts the spotlight on people who can't construct fake roles properly I guess. We're gonna end up having to zerg one person unless someone ends the day early one way or another.

Posted by: Shamarah May 9 2008, 06:23 PM
Mass claim day 1 is an absolutely retarded idea. I'd vote for you just for suggesting it if I didn't think you were just doing it because you haven't thought this out properly.

- If we mass claim, the our power roles (doctor in particular) have to either lie or be outed.

Posted by: Ashteru May 10 2008, 02:16 AM
I am gone a night and it's six pages? O.o

Anyway, how many votes do we need to lynch? Maybe we should approach this...carefully.


Othero was just the most active talker.

Though Shiri's first "random vote" made it sound like he wanted to specifically mention that he was acting "abnormal" so that we wouldn't think he is acting abnormal? Not sure I understood that comment.
Daganev2008-05-12 22:24:39
meh, forgot to bold all the "we"s but basically each quote has one, I'm not sure that using the word "we" is really something worthy of being suspect. There are a few confirmed uses of the word "we", such as from Xavius.
Exeryte2008-05-12 22:31:09
QUOTE(daganev @ May 12 2008, 05:23 PM) 511464
I clicked the option to have a printable version of the topic, and searched for "we" and my initial search came up with this.

You can tell when "we" refers to the entire group playing, or "we" is explicity referring to the Townie-group. I find repeated use of the latter more suspicious. And if you take out the players from your list who are now dead Townies, you aren't left with much choice.

Sure, the "evidence" is skeptical at best - but what else can you expect this far along?