You don't have to coordinate communication to help and support eachother.

Plenty of people could have said "Yeah, Daganev is a wily guy, lynch him!" and just ignored the rest of his bad reasoning, but nobody did, so I'm going to have to assume that they know to stay away from him cause he will get lynched, or he is alone.

(p.s. wouldn't it be fascinating if Bali made no mafia group and only individual serial killers? lol)

Well...I guess they could have, although it would have looked like they were defending said bad reasoning. I'm not convinced. As far as I'm concerned the main suspects are Arix and him though.

And while that would be funny, it's really unlikely that that's true in a game this large. With only 1-2 deaths per night (not counting Xavius suiciding) both serial killers would be incredibly fragile and not have a chance to make that much impact.

When I'm a doctor, I always tend to protect either the first or last person on the list of names, because generally I find that the mafia targets the first or last person on the list of names.

Since the mafia have no idea who the other people are, and they eventually need everybody to be dead, it increases thier chances of not having thier target be protected if they choose a random name. i.e. the more random thier choice, the less likely a doctor is to stop the kill.

... Neither of the times I've been mafia has anyone so much as brought up the idea of targetting the first or last person. I think it's purely coincidence they did so this time.

Well, last time I played the doctor I kept protecting the people down the list, and nobody died at night until I was killed.

And ofcourse nobody ever says "lets pick the last person", but thats what they tend to do. I once discovered a mafia person that way actually, because they skipped thier name, but otherwise there was a pattern based on the list. But who knows what they are doing this time.


Also, can we have a vote count, I'm very lost and confused, an I feel like not enough people are voting. (no lynch == bad)

VOTE COUNT


Kaalak: 4 Votes - (shiri, saran, arix, casilu)
Arix: 2 Votes - (silvanus, celina)
Dagenev: 2 Votes - (shayle, kaalak)


Exeryte: 1 Vote - (okin)
Shiri: 1 Vote - (daganev)
Othero: 1 Vote - (exeryte)

*cough*

You've got Daganev voting twice.

Yeesh I'm only human. Fix'd

11 out of 21 people voting... unless we hear from more people we are really at a standstill, and I don't think Kalak should be lynched, as that is likely just going to help the mafia. Really, in this game with so many people quite, all the mafia has to do is allow the loud townies to lynch eachother and they win.

I don't like the situation we are in right now, and I hope some of the silent townies will realize this and speak up!

Bah, been busy last couple days so I was slightly silent. Looking over everything I have to admit I'm confused a bit. Kaalak and Shamarah both seem suspicious to me as they both seem to over think things and I feel like they are both some what defensive in trying to really prove they are town. Hmmm, Vote:Kaalak for now.

I just read an entire 2 pages...and I have no idea what I just read.

Anyways, my conversations with Kaalak make me think he's far too witty and sharp to just blatently expose himself so defensively like you guys are clamining he is. I think you are looking for a scapegoat and Kaalak just happens to be the loudest choice.

There is only one person that I am certain is NOT in the Mafia. That is Shamarah. It just doesn't add up that he would be in it.

My vote is still on Arix.

I have five votes against me. Shiri is doing an excellent job of defending you by starting a bandwagon against me.


VOTE DAGANEV

I, likewise, find Kaalak suspicious. Originally I was writing off the mistakes he made as those of a newbie instead of jumping on him for doing such strange things, but I'm finding it harder and harder to do that. You know what time that means it is, kids... PBPA time!



Okay, jumping on the Shaddus bandwagon and not even pretending to have a reason. A lot of people were doing that, sure, but it doesn't make it any less scummy. Refused to even admit wrongdoing with regards to this wagon.



This was in response to a post of mine FoSing him for shameless bandwagoning on Shaddus. This post bewildered me, because I didn't understand what he meant by Shaddus being wishy washy as Shaddus had hardly done anything at all. When I asked him about it, he responded:



In retrospect I probably should have jumped on this post even though I didn't, because it was his response to my question but had absolutely nothing to do with it. I was asking him why he voted for Shaddus, and he said above that Shaddus was wishy-washy... now he changes his mind and says that it was Silvanus that was being wishy-washy, but that STILL doesn't give any kind of reason at all for voting for Shaddus. (Actually, I agree that Silvanus is marginally suspicious, but that doesn't really change the case on Kaalak.) Again, shameless bandwagoning from him.

He immediately follows that up with...



How about because he's a townie and it's a pointless random bandwagon? Stop acting victimized, it isn't helping you.



Suddenly switches here to suggesting a no-lynch. This was one of the things he was doing that I wrote off initially as a newbie mistake, but no-lynch is often something scum suggest to prevent one of their own from getting killed during the day.



Why does there have to be a rationale for killing Rika night 0? She was a townie they knew probably wouldn't have doc protection. The majority of players are pro-town, so the probability is high that a given experienced player is pro-town, so it would make a lot more sense for the doc to be protecting someone who is experienced in case the mafia targets them. The quote above especially feels like it's referring to me in an underhanded manner because of the "proctored mafia games before" thing, and I will point out that because of that, I'm a somewhat likely target for a doc night 0.

It's stupid to expect scum to be going after someone because of an IC grudge. (Besides, who dies to Rika?)

I agree Kaalak is the most suspicious person at the moment, so I'm going to go ahead and join the others with a Vote: Kaalak.

Well Sham you are wrong. Thats it.

Casilu and Arix I think you are just reacting to the style in which I write my posts. I think Dag is up to something and I'm more certain given responses.

Please change your vote.

Yeah, I'm so sneaky that I'm trying to have people not vote for you just so that they will vote for you!

Again, I think you are a townie, and shouldn't be voted on, but maybe I'm wrong and everyone else is correct.

Psh. What are you on Shammy? You just picked apart a Kaalak post where he made a typo, typing Shaddus instead of Silvanus.

And these are the forums. Everything boils down to in game grudges.

And stop talking like this game requires some kind of expertise! It's not that complicated.

I'd lynch you if I weren't so sure you were a townie.

Arix and Shiri are the only ones I am suspicous of. Shiri can delete my posts so...Arix!

Vote for shiri, I don't think Arix is scummy, just lost and confused.

Ok. Sham I think you have some valid points so I will address them. I'm not going to RESPOND to your critique I'll just leave them for others to read as a record after my death by Shiri.



I thought either Shaddus was playing something very complicated to deflect attention off of him or ... just being random. I wasn't sure so I voted for him. Looking through the previous Mafia game his behavior there was identical to his behavior here.

Compare


With



So...it looks like he was being random and new to the game. I was wrong along with everyone else who voted for him. Happy Sham?




I confused the names. That is all there is to it.




This is a question. As much as you think it is suspicious this IS my first game. Also I request you EXPLAIN all acronyms you use. (Or at least spell out)


I've explained this already. Random doesn't make sense to me.



Yes Shamarah I was referring to you. I think it would be logical for the mafia to kill off experienced players first because that
increases their chance of survival. Specifically killing off you, Shiri, Saran (since he was right in the last game), Xenthos, Xavius, Illdaudid or anyone else with experience.

I think Ildaudid was killed off on night one for exactly this reason. He was an experienced player and was a successful
mafia last game. That means he knew what's up. Well not the only reason, there is another idea I have too but I'll keep that to myself.



I can think of no other reason, no one else has supplied a logical reason and I don't buy random.

This is my first Mafia game, I've no idea what I'm doing. And I don't think Shiri would delete your posts in a mafia game, no matter how annoying you are.

Also

Unvote: Kaalak