Celina, you are not doing yourself any favours right now. Shiri has some credibility for claiming mason which is technically a confirmable role but can be sus. If your role claim is valid then there would be someone who could back you up.

If you were reading you would know that shiri is likely to die tonight if he's not mafia.

I am also curious as to how you know about the role veracruz had

You call BS on everything.

Veracruz was probably cured like I was. It's anonymous so he couldn't target his, and the town's doctor.

You had your mind made up before I roleclaimed. How is Veracruz inconsistant? We know for a fact he was crazy. You reek of Mafia.

I'd like to point out one final thing before I give up. Shiri has already roleclaimed, why? Shiri said it has cast suspicion on her/him/itself. When have the votes been heavily against Shiri? Never. Why would it make sense for Shiri to try and save himself when the votes aren't against him? Because it is a fake role and Shiri is in the Mafia.

My. Point. Exactly.

(did you read what Bali said when Vera died? You'd know he's nuts if you did)

Sorry for being lurky, works getting a little more annoyed about us browsing while talking to customers

Lets say Veracruz was crazy, that was part of his role. Lets also say that Celina was/is crazy why couldn't the entire mafia be crazy? Whole mafia could be crazy and Celina is making a poor fake role claim.

If I wasn't in danger, all the more obvious it is that I'm a townie for ganking Veracruz then. If it was to save myself it's at least a fringe possibility, but if I wasn't in that much danger then that would have been reeeeeeetarded.

You've pretty much dug yourself into a whopping great hole now.

Do you actually have anything to base this on? Why is my roleclaim fake based on the random idea that the entire Mafia is crazy?

The probability of both you being crazy AND Veracruz being crazy AND both of you being targetted, sequentially, by the doctor/psychiatrist (you seem unsure if they're the same but I'll forgive that) before you got voted for and blew someone up are extremely low. The odds that all the mafia are crazy in some way and that you're just trying to camouflage it are low, but a good deal higher. So your roleclaim actually seems to work against you here.

Nothing to base it on except if your mafia then your role claim would be fake and that your saying Vera was crazy and mafia. Really just seeing if other people thought the idea held any weight.

Agreed, amazing that in three nights the two possible targets got cured

Man. Screw this. I'm tired of a game where everything I say, no matter what I say or how I say it, results in the exact same response.

My name is Xavier Suksilot. (I just got the last name. Dirty Balizar)

I am the psychiatrist. It was my job to discover the crazy people. That is how I know about the role of both the psychiatrist and the insane. Once an insane person is killed, in this case Veracruz, I am no longer a Psychiatrist. This is how I knew Veracruz was crazy, because I lost my ability to examine people when he died. If you will read my earlier post, you will read that I believed Shamarah was NOT in the Mafia. I believed this because I examined Shamarah (I examined Thoros the first night, but he was not ill), curing him of his illness. At the time I assumed that the insane suicide bombers were seperate from the Mafia. As far as I know, there are no other forms of illness, so I assume Veracruz had the same mental disorder (obviously my assumption was wrong, and the mafia does, or did have crazy people) I saved the townsfolk from themselves, essentially. Furthermore, I know the Mafia targeted Shamarah and he was saved by someone in my practice. This is how i know for a fact that Shamarah is not in the Mafia. I hope that is evidence enough to save myself this one round. Obviously, the Mafia will just target me tonight now that they know I am a townie so the game is over for me one way or another, but maybe you will change your votes and have a chance to lynch someone actually IN the Mafia.

Consider it my last friendly gesture.

I don't think I need to state why... the past 2-3 pages make it obscenely clear.

Vote: Celina

Ok...so if any of that was true, why did you give us a blatant lie the first time? Also, the mafia already know you're a townie if you are because...you're not a mafia. Obv.

(I think that's 7 votes out of 10 for Celina now, Saran didn't actually vote. But I might be missing one.)

Actually, I didn't read Celina's last post before I posted my vote... so I need to stop and consider more discussion first. Unvote: Celina

Yes. They know, but now they will target me because I have outed myself and the town should no longer be suspicious of me, hence once less person that will try to lynch. I gave you all the evidence and everything I know. You still refuse to accept reason. Why? Mafia.

Weathercocking anyone? And you still didn't really explain why you were BSing us earlier...

Minor thing Shiri.

Have you ever considered your line of questioning technique is like an anvil on the head?

So myself in the previous day and now Celina look real suspicious? No, I can say conclusively that Celina and myself are not allied, I'm just pointing out the result of questioning myself and her and chances are whomever you question day 3 (4?) whatever.

What is weathercocking? You mean weathervane? The thing on top of a roof that determines where a wind blows?

Anvil to the face would have been much more poetic but we can't go back and edit them now can we? CAN WE?

My precious....

Hmm... I'm having a gut feeling here... and that gut feeling is telling me that Thoros is right. We're all wasting time here with Celina. I'm sure a vigilante can handle her if it's really necessary. However I've known and trusted Thoros for a long long time, so if he says something, I gotta go with it. He's never strayed me wrong before.

vote: Xenthos

I haven't considered that my line of questioning technique is an anvil on the head...I'm not sure what you mean like that. I am being pretty aggressive since Celina has blatant weak points all over her defence and she keeps making more mistakes as we go along. With you it was more of seizing on a particular inconsistency I saw but people didn't take to it as strongly (it wasn't as obvious as the stuff Celina's been saying; I mean, look at her trying to implicate Veracruz into her roleclaim...then changing it when she realises it doesn't work.) You'll notice I also was checking out Othero for being suspicious earlier on but his slip was pretty minor arguably so I didn't press it.

As for weathercocking, I guess that's a more obscure literary reference than I thought. It's where people keep trying to change the direction of an argument to throw you off-balance, like how the chicken changes direction whenever the wind blows.