Ok. Didn't Celina claim earlier that she targetted Veracruz and lost her powers? Veracruz wasn't converted into a townsperson and your description of her roleclaim doesn't say anything about losing powers anyway.

No. Perhaps you aren't reading and this is where we have an issue. I didn't target veracruz. I only examined two people. Thoros, then Shamarah. Shamarah was cured. The stipulation on my power is that should anyone that is insane die, I would become a normal doctor. Veracruz, who was insane, died and I am now a doctor. The previous night, I could only protect someone, I chose Shamarah, I had a feeling the Mafia would target him anyways. I was right and he was saved.

You sure are stubborn.

Celina has been stuck in this hole for a while now. I'm not buying it based off of everything Celina has told us combined with what Thoros just said.

OK, so -either-

Thoros and Celina are Mafia,

OR

They're innocent.

A Thoros/Celina/Veracruz-mafia isn't unthinkable. Both Thoros and Veracruz were very lurky, and then there's everything about Celina.

But, Celina being the doctor/psychologist isn't UNTHINKABLE, either. She's played it badly - a half-roleclaim later expanded is always far worse than no roleclaim - but that doesn't mean she's mafia.

I am, however invoking the sacred protocol Lynch All Liars. I still say we lynch Celina.

Oh, Celina, just in case it didn't immediately occur to you, you need to protect Thoros tonight if you survive the day. And you're not mafia.

You quite clearly stated that an insane person would kill the first person that voted them should they be lynched. Can someone actually scroll back and confirm the night kills because that did not happen during the day

So sheesh I just went through all the risk of tellin the world I was a cop and nobody believes me? Damn, this town is going down.

How do you know Shamarah was targetted and saved? Dylara got shot, so someone obviously died.

Also, how come when Thoros examined you he didn't get that stipulation about the insanity thing (if that is what happened)?

Hey, I'm just checking out what you're saying. Celina's huge storm of BS and blatant lying earlier has (justifiably) made me a little skeptical of anyone defending her, so I want to make sure your claim is at least internally consistent before buying into the idea that she's innocent!

I doubt thorosis Mafia.

1) This is Thoros' first time playing. He himself has stated that he doesn't have much of an idea as o what to do or how to play correctly.

2) As I said before, I'd trust Thoros an my gut says to in this instance. Thoros roleclaimed cop. If he's wrong (aka he lied) guess what: That's 1 guaranteed lynch for the next day.

I say we take the chance here and go with Thoros. He's never let me down before!

Oh yea, also, if there's a cult it's pretty likely to have 3 members by this point. Doesn't support or remove support for Thoros' claim, just throwing that out there.

Your roleclaim has put the town in a difficult position, Thoros. A lot of us think Celina's mafia - if you're a cop and you say she's not, we have to find someone new to lynch! What about Xenthos?

Possibility which I don't necessarily endorse: Thoros is an insane cop.

I wouldn't put myself at risk though and roleclaim that I am a cop for no reason. Though I believe if you lynch Celina, the town is going to lose because I am going to be dead the next day.

The first one is a really bad way to judge things. Pretty sure I played a pretty competent mafia the first game I played around here (or at least, Shorlen was telling me he was stunned at how crappy a townie I was playing after my scum performance in the first game).

Secondly, stop trusting him because he's an OOC friend! This reasoning is full of fail!

However, you're correct that if we believe him and he turns out to be full of we can kill both him and Celina guaranteed. Celina's blatant scummy behaviour for several pages now makes me want to stay with her for the safety purposes since it's much more reliable given the evidence we have than going off Thoros' claim, but let's hear what Xenthos has to say for himself first (he's usually in bed by this time.) If he acts suspicious we can consider that.

When I ran the investigation on Xenthos, i was able to find out that he is part of a cult. Due to me not reading the last of the posts for a few days, it took me awhile to catch up to here and when I got to the last page here is when I found out Celina was about to be lynched. Roleclaimed and took the risk. We need to NOT lynch Celina, and we must lynch Xenthos. If Celina gets lynched, I get killed.

OK, assume Celina is innocent. Tomorrow morning, she'll be dead. We know Thoros won't die, because Celina will protect him. The mafia also know this, and will target Celina - because she can't protect herself. If Celina's mafia, she won't die.

So: if we wake up tomorrow and Celina's alive, lynch her. Meanwhile, lynch Xenthos to verify Thoros.

Unvote: Celina

Of course, if the Mafia know that's the plan they might refrain from killing her just so we lynch her for them. It could go really badly. And Xenthos might have a useful role, so we better wait for him.

Seriously? This screams Mafia to me. Once again. This town is so screwed.



Yes I did. That was Shamarah's illness. He had a bomb strapped to him and would blow up the first person to vote for him if he was lynched. I didn't get to investigate Veracruz, so he might have had something else. Or someone else cured him.

And I know Shamarah was saved because, uh, I saved him? My night choice was Shamarah, my return message was "You saved Shamarah!"

I don't know why he didn't get the stipulation. I'm not balizar. I'm not running this game. Maybe he investigated me before I was a psychiatrist and he only found out about my current job, and not my future job that I might not have ever gotten (doctor).

TWO people have roleclaimed. Thoros and I have more evidence than all of you have been able to scrape together. We've said all we can possible say. If you are not in the mafia, wake up! If you are, you are doing a very good job.

Bali. Modkill me or get someone to take my place. I'm not playing anymore.

The whole "no matter what you say you are wrong" stuff is expected, but I don't have the mindset for this game. Shiri calling my opinions "a BS storm" has made me irritable. I understand you are just playing.

To think, this all started with "veracruz forgets where he is sometimes." Way to go townies. Absolute brilliance.

*abandons ship*

I'm... not convinced Shiri is town.

His vote on Veracruz wasn't 'safe'. His vote had jumped around a bit before settling on the Kaalak bandwagon for a good while, and when that wasn't going to happen and the Veracruz lynch seemed likely, he changed before the deadline.

I'm planning to vote Xenthos unless he comes up with a REALLY sexy roleclaim. Celina, please keep playing. You + Thoros have essentially convinced me! (Besides, we need you! You're the doctor! I hope...)

Calm down! This is how you play this game. Don't take it personally. If I was in your position I would probably be BSing too (though I have more practice so I'd do it better. )