Malarious2008-05-21 18:06:11
This is against Narsrim as size 25, with malkuth, and cloak.
The eq is 1.7 seconds, imagine doing this with empress or similar. This should show a firm reason to be a large size given you get both health boost (though minor) and are only minutely effected by being summoned. While small has only higher dex going for it in combat application. Please reduce the effect of size on summoing or make it effect tumble speed again to compensate, something so you shouldnt just stay at size 25.
QUOTE
You tell Justiciar Narsrim D'cente`, "Ready?"
5830h, 6900m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32400w elrx<>-
Narsrim tells you, "Yep."
5830h, 6900m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32400w elrx<>-
darkcall beckon Narsrim
Narsrim resists your summons!
5830h, 6878m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32395w lrx<>-
You have recovered equilibrium.
5830h, 6878m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32395w elrx<>-
darkcall beckon Narsrim
Narsrim resists your summons!
5830h, 6856m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32390w lrx<>-
You have recovered equilibrium.
5830h, 6900m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32400w elrx<>-
darkcall beckon Narsrim
Narsrim resists your summons!
5830h, 6878m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32395w lrx<>-
You have recovered equilibrium.
5830h, 6878m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32395w elrx<>-
darkcall beckon Narsrim
Narsrim resists your summons!
5830h, 6856m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32390w lrx<>-
You have recovered equilibrium.
5830h, 6856m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32400w elrx<>-
darkcall beckon Narsrim
Narsrim resists your summons!
5830h, 6834m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32395w lrx<>-
You have recovered equilibrium.
5830h, 6834m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32395w elrx<>-
darkcall beckon Narsrim
Narsrim resists your summons!
5830h, 6812m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32390w lrx<>-
You have recovered equilibrium.
5830h, 6900m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32400w elrx<>-
darkcall beckon Narsrim
Narsrim resists your summons!
5830h, 6878m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32395w lrx<>-
You have recovered equilibrium.
5830h, 6878m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32395w elrx<>-
darkcall beckon Narsrim
Narsrim resists your summons!
5830h, 6856m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32395w lrx<>-
You have recovered equilibrium.
5830h, 6856m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32395w elrx<>-
darkcall beckon Narsrim
Narsrim resists your summons!
5830h, 6834m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32390w lrx<>-
You have recovered equilibrium.
5830h, 6834m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32390w elrx<>-
darkcall beckon Narsrim
Narsrim resists your summons!
5830h, 6812m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32395w lrx<>-
You have recovered equilibrium.
5830h, 6812m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32395w elrx<>-
darkcall beckon Narsrim
You bid your archdemon to draw Narsrim in close.
Narsrim wanders in, beckoned by the will of the a hideous archdemon.
5830h, 6790m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32390w lrx<>-
You have recovered equilibrium.
5830h, 6900m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32390w elrx<>-
say 11
You say, "11."
5830h, 6900m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32400w elrx<>-
l
The Treasury of Architectural Wonders. (Avechna's Peak.)
This location is flooded with shallow, crystal clear water. The room itself is
small, though it is quite cozy and well lit by lamps set along the walls. Glass
display cases are scattered across the thick sumptuous carpet like little
islands spread across a deep red sea. Within a few of the display cases are
small gems that gleam with latent energies churning within them. The other
display cases reveal tiny miniatures of shops, forges, ovens, and workbenches.
The craftsmanship of these miniatures is exquisite, so perfect that they could
be mistaken as the real things except for the whimsical size. Though perhaps the
miniatures could mistaken for children's toys at first glance, the arcane
energies that expose them as something much more. Justiciar Narsrim D'cente`
towers here. He wields a gleaming symbol of hope in his left hand and a magic
tome in his right. You see a sign here instructing you that WARES is the command
to see what is for sale.
You see a single exit leading down (open door).
5830h, 6900m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32400w elrx<>-
5830h, 6900m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32400w elrx<>-
Narsrim tells you, "Yep."
5830h, 6900m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32400w elrx<>-
darkcall beckon Narsrim
Narsrim resists your summons!
5830h, 6878m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32395w lrx<>-
You have recovered equilibrium.
5830h, 6878m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32395w elrx<>-
darkcall beckon Narsrim
Narsrim resists your summons!
5830h, 6856m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32390w lrx<>-
You have recovered equilibrium.
5830h, 6900m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32400w elrx<>-
darkcall beckon Narsrim
Narsrim resists your summons!
5830h, 6878m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32395w lrx<>-
You have recovered equilibrium.
5830h, 6878m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32395w elrx<>-
darkcall beckon Narsrim
Narsrim resists your summons!
5830h, 6856m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32390w lrx<>-
You have recovered equilibrium.
5830h, 6856m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32400w elrx<>-
darkcall beckon Narsrim
Narsrim resists your summons!
5830h, 6834m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32395w lrx<>-
You have recovered equilibrium.
5830h, 6834m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32395w elrx<>-
darkcall beckon Narsrim
Narsrim resists your summons!
5830h, 6812m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32390w lrx<>-
You have recovered equilibrium.
5830h, 6900m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32400w elrx<>-
darkcall beckon Narsrim
Narsrim resists your summons!
5830h, 6878m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32395w lrx<>-
You have recovered equilibrium.
5830h, 6878m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32395w elrx<>-
darkcall beckon Narsrim
Narsrim resists your summons!
5830h, 6856m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32395w lrx<>-
You have recovered equilibrium.
5830h, 6856m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32395w elrx<>-
darkcall beckon Narsrim
Narsrim resists your summons!
5830h, 6834m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32390w lrx<>-
You have recovered equilibrium.
5830h, 6834m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32390w elrx<>-
darkcall beckon Narsrim
Narsrim resists your summons!
5830h, 6812m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32395w lrx<>-
You have recovered equilibrium.
5830h, 6812m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32395w elrx<>-
darkcall beckon Narsrim
You bid your archdemon to draw Narsrim in close.
Narsrim wanders in, beckoned by the will of the a hideous archdemon.
5830h, 6790m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32390w lrx<>-
You have recovered equilibrium.
5830h, 6900m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32390w elrx<>-
say 11
You say, "11."
5830h, 6900m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32400w elrx<>-
l
The Treasury of Architectural Wonders. (Avechna's Peak.)
This location is flooded with shallow, crystal clear water. The room itself is
small, though it is quite cozy and well lit by lamps set along the walls. Glass
display cases are scattered across the thick sumptuous carpet like little
islands spread across a deep red sea. Within a few of the display cases are
small gems that gleam with latent energies churning within them. The other
display cases reveal tiny miniatures of shops, forges, ovens, and workbenches.
The craftsmanship of these miniatures is exquisite, so perfect that they could
be mistaken as the real things except for the whimsical size. Though perhaps the
miniatures could mistaken for children's toys at first glance, the arcane
energies that expose them as something much more. Justiciar Narsrim D'cente`
towers here. He wields a gleaming symbol of hope in his left hand and a magic
tome in his right. You see a sign here instructing you that WARES is the command
to see what is for sale.
You see a single exit leading down (open door).
5830h, 6900m, 6930e, 10p, 26400en, 32400w elrx<>-
The eq is 1.7 seconds, imagine doing this with empress or similar. This should show a firm reason to be a large size given you get both health boost (though minor) and are only minutely effected by being summoned. While small has only higher dex going for it in combat application. Please reduce the effect of size on summoing or make it effect tumble speed again to compensate, something so you shouldnt just stay at size 25.
Xenthos2008-05-21 18:11:59
QUOTE(Malarious @ May 21 2008, 02:06 PM) 514239
This is against Narsrim as size 25, with malkuth, and cloak.
The eq is 1.7 seconds, imagine doing this with empress or similar. This should show a firm reason to be a large size given you get both health boost (though minor) and are only minutely effected by being summoned. While small has only higher dex going for it in combat application. Please reduce the effect of size on summoing or make it effect tumble speed again to compensate, something so you shouldnt just stay at size 25.
The eq is 1.7 seconds, imagine doing this with empress or similar. This should show a firm reason to be a large size given you get both health boost (though minor) and are only minutely effected by being summoned. While small has only higher dex going for it in combat application. Please reduce the effect of size on summoing or make it effect tumble speed again to compensate, something so you shouldnt just stay at size 25.
Not enough data points. Impossible to tell if it is actually a 10% chance, a 3% chance, or a 25% chance with some really bad streaking. Also, no comparison with the same defs and 1 size.
Malarious2008-05-21 18:22:08
QUOTE(Xenthos @ May 21 2008, 02:11 PM) 514240
Not enough data points. Impossible to tell if it is actually a 10% chance, a 3% chance, or a 25% chance with some really bad streaking. Also, no comparison with the same defs and 1 size.
I will test that later then to give you more perfect information.
Xenthos2008-05-21 18:36:58
QUOTE(Malarious @ May 21 2008, 02:22 PM) 514241
I will test that later then to give you more perfect information.
It doesn't need to be perfect, but there does need to be something to compare it to if you're going to use it as evidence that size is imbalanced towards large races, and with enough data points that we can be more-or-less sure that both are in the ballpark.
Unknown2008-05-21 19:25:21
QUOTE(Xenthos @ May 21 2008, 02:36 PM) 514242
It doesn't need to be perfect, but there does need to be something to compare it to if you're going to use it as evidence that size is imbalanced towards large races, and with enough data points that we can be more-or-less sure that both are in the ballpark.
/agree
Malarious2008-05-24 17:23:53
F means fail, S means success... 25 tests at 1 and at 25 with same defs
==Size 1==
SSFSS
FFSFS
FFFSS
SFFSS
FSFFF
12 Success (48%)
13 Fail (52%)
==Size 25==
FFFFF
FFFFF
FFFFF
FFFFF
FSFFF
1 Success (4%)
24 Fail (96%)
==Size 1==
SSFSS
FFSFS
FFFSS
SFFSS
FSFFF
12 Success (48%)
13 Fail (52%)
==Size 25==
FFFFF
FFFFF
FFFFF
FFFFF
FSFFF
1 Success (4%)
24 Fail (96%)
Malarious2008-05-24 17:36:30
This was with cloak and malkuth as his defs against being moved as well.
Geb2008-05-24 18:03:44
I see a simple solution to the problem. They can remove the defense size gives against summoning.
Malarious2008-05-24 18:15:31
QUOTE(geb @ May 24 2008, 02:03 PM) 515016
I see a simple solution to the problem. They can remove the defense size gives against summoning.
Thats the goal, make beckon not check size.
Geb2008-05-24 18:31:17
QUOTE(Malarious @ May 24 2008, 07:15 PM) 515018
Thats the goal, make beckon not check size.
No, make all movement abilities not check size. Beckon should not be made special, especially when size now does have an affect on on how well block works on a person. The larger a person is, the harder it is to block the movement of that person.
Malarious2008-05-24 21:10:42
QUOTE(geb @ May 24 2008, 02:31 PM) 515024
No, make all movement abilities not check size. Beckon should not be made special, especially when size now does have an affect on on how well block works on a person. The larger a person is, the harder it is to block the movement of that person.
That works too, I was addressing beckon imparticular. I imagine thats exactly what would be needed (for everything to be changed to not check size)