I don't know why you're bothered about it. Obviously he lacks doesn't want to roleplay or give his character any sort of challenge. It's best that he left, now he can go frolick in Seren or something.

Adding my comments.

- Ariadne should have been wrist slapped for a stupidity of killing a young one, serf or no serf. Magnagora does have laws about killing fellow citizens. There are far more interesting ways to have handled a big-mouthed, smarty novice.

- I don't know what clan that was, but Ariadne sounded like she was giving you an order about how you should handle your novices. If I was the GA, I would be mighty annoyed and tell her to shut her gap and know her own place.

-And I agree with the others. Always give the appearance to non-guild members of backing your own guild mates, even if they did wrong. You can thrash them in private, in your office.

- contrary to other comments here about you coming across harsh. Frankly, I would have been far more cold to the novice had he been in the Ur'Guard. In fact, I feel you came across as uncertain and unsure of your own rank and powers, and he capitalised on that. You did not shut him down, thus he continued being an arse and disrespectful to you on top of it.

- as for his lesson learning, the minute he mentioned credits, I would have left it be. The only thing I might have mentioned would be skills he would need for fighting if he intended to do so.

- and as for him finally leaving the guild, I say good riddance, and I pity the guild who gets him next. :/

:slap: Shoo! We're trying to clear those guys out, not bring more in.

I had a maneuver/macro that I made to poke people in the arm and get an artery. Some novices really make me wonder if it would be worth the repricussions just to stick them once and watch them bleed out.

And chances are, if they can cure out of that, they weren't really a real novice to begin with. And if they are a real novice, they've learned something both about curing, and seeing what life is like after "swing".

Besides, I learned about rebounding aura from Rastor letting me kill myself on his. In the arena, but even if it wasn't, at that level, it's not like the death means more than a scholar or two.

I had to take a novice aside last night though. The guy who ran into Faethorn looking for a fight, died, immediately ran into Etherglom for the same purpose with the same result, then whined that no one in the commune listened to him or liked him. I'm not sure how it would have ended-- I don't pay attention to my exhaustion level and fell asleep during...

Really dislike mag's RP. He may have behaved poorly then, but he could have shaped up. As far as annoying goes, dancing twice and complaining of getting murdered ranks at about a 2, and you went and chased away a potential asset to magnagora. Didn't need to get on him about his skill choices either. If I had been as mean of a GA as you, I might have chased Forren out of the Aquamancers because he and some newb were fighting alllllll the time. Obviously good for Celest that he didn't leave. Can Magnagora afford to chase players away for minor offenses?

lol, i like how people mistake that for Rp. Some guy going I'm feeling annoyed so im going to be an IC ass for an hour. That is not rp, and yea I've seen agood amount of helpful novices leave/quit the game completly over really stupid stuff that the "player authority" couldn't let go of. "cough sybl cough"

It's always better to just destroy the no killing city mates law (inside the city at least) it makes Glom a better place, and less whining when people are killed.

But then you run into instances like earlier today where Veyda up and killed Drakonassus because Drakonassus jumped someone who jumped him earlier.

.... and how's that wrong?

Yeah, but Shaddus can't help it.

Ariadne needs to die though - there was a VERY good reason the Iron Council made that law about citizens killing each other. Someone needs to nag one of the higher ups to have her killed by our lovely Executioner for that.

Oh and next time I log on, I'm totally dancing naked at the Megalith.

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Sorry I missed this - I should have replied earlier.

I killed Drakonassus for a simple reason - to appease Celest and keep them from getting pissed at Glomdoring because of a lowbie who has a ridiculous grudge and no self-control. Believe it or not, I don't randomly kill novices and near-novices for kicks*. This is, I believe, the second or third time in a year I've had to do that.


_{*Exceptions may apply when they're seren wandering prime glomdoring right after an avatar raid without innocence.}

screw appeasing Celest. You don't need Celest. Celest should appease YOU

I'll happily appease them when it's because of something stupid one of my subordinates did.

You know, a few weeks ago, I had a novice who was peppering me with questions in a fairly agressive, demanding, rude sort of tone. I answered them... except for the one that I missed in movement spam.

The novice then shows up at the mother tree and:



Because I missed his last question.

At this point, I really, really wanted to just "strike rarm" and let him bleed out. What stopped me was, that, ICly, Serenwilde law protected him, and even if it didn't, the ensuing drama and annoyances would probably outweigh the satisfaction I would derive from watching him bleed out. Even if it did, it's hard to convey tone after the fact, and even if I felt he richly deserved it, other people would probably be upset IC for the obvious reasons, and OOC because I "may have driven away a potential asset to Serenwilde/Lusternia".

So, I just told him that if he was going to present himself in such a manner, I had nothing to talk to him about. Or something like that.

Now, my case was more of a personal annoyance, but really, I don't feel Shaddus was out of line. Stuff like that helps to keep a roleplay atmosphere in Lusternia. Stuff like half OOC giggly, dancy, silliness pushes it closer to a chatroom that happens to coincide with a game. It dumbs down Lusternia as a whole. Though the novice in the log did seem like he had the capacity for good roleplay, and it may have not been the best solution in this particular case, we know that mostly after the fact. I don't feel there's anything wrong with the method he applied, apart from potentially running afowl of the whole "don't tell people how to spend their lessons" thing.

See, what you should have done then was to get a Moondancer or Druid or Spiritsinger to afflictionlock the novice until he learned proper respect. And then bleed him out. Sure, he might've been a potential asset, but most likely, if you act like that there is a far higher probability that you're an annoyance rather than an asset.

I was all for Ariadne's actions. I'm a big fan of the early Magnagoran RP. You disrespect someone enough, you die.

I miss those days.

Good call. Probably would not have gone over well with me either if you'd bled him out. However, that scenario points out something interesting-- the separation of dumb novice versus blatantly player rude and insulting novice. Had he done that to me, it would have cost him quite a bit of novice time added on and a public verbal abuse session at the Tree about not being directly insulting.

I have found that some people go out of there way to get attention, even negative attention. If you yell at them or disfavor them or add novice time on they just play it up for even more drama. The worst punishment I have found for these types of people is to totaly ignore them. I do not SNUB them I just actually ignore them. I inform the GA or other secs that this person is being taught by me and until they learn some respect no one else should give them tests.

If the person is playing a "griefer alt" it gets rid of them quickly. If they are just immature or have no social skills they tend to work on being more polite over time.

I save the public yelling/mocking/calling out for high ranking members of an org.

In this case I find it silly that death was used in response to dancing. That is just lazy RP on both sides. The manner in which the death was handled was fine I suppose, but the whole skill issue was silly. Someone who had 0 combat skills could still be a huge asset to an organization, in this case it is doubtful but making such a huge deal about skill choice (and fighting in general) is a mistake. There are multiple people in every org who are useless in a fight yet are an amazing addition to that org.

Especially for a group that is supposed to be about stealth I find the extreme focus on martial ability to be rather misplaced. That is just me though.