Bm's are the best spec next to PB for cloth wearers, tbh.

Too bad I probably posted this in the wrong topic for it to get read by anyone who could make a difference.

@Thoros not that I've been a warrior or anything, but just based off my receiving end experiences, I dislike axelords an BM's the most.

Since this is a topic about How to Tank... what choices do Celestines have to be less squishy?

If only I could choose Illithoid...

Lose the weewee, grow an exo-skeleton.

Not pullin a Narsrim just so I can be a hive queen.

Narsrim is more interested in the queen than the hive. *rimshot* Umm..dwarf? Human? Lucidian? Lobo? Hell, just go Tae'dae or Igasho. Not like you'll be doing anything but inqui-whoring.

I personally went dwarf druid and I don't really mind it now. Mugwump are the new failed race now by the way. on the plus side, changes successfully made it so that magic classes no longer -have- to be mugwump. In fact, they can't be mugwump. I'm almost positive that there are less mugwump than there are tae'dae or orclach or krokani or even trill and dracnari.

I don't believe that. Their eq wasn't nerfed -that- badly. I'm pretty sure MDs and so on are gonna find - particularly if warriors are nerfed, so they aren't taking insane regular damage on top of insane amped fire/elec damage - that the fast speed is still gonna help.

Care to clarify?

In terms of how quickly you can get to the impaling attacks, sure. It's the finishing as a BM against a competent defense that's difficult.

It actually was. I don't know a single mugwump combatant that stayed mugwump. Narsrim? Ashai? Malarious? The speed helps, but who cares if you are a tad faster if shuyin/malicia/thoros can still literally one shot you. Group combat isn't fun when people can kill you as if you were a weevil. A weevil that runs a little faster than the others but still a weevil.

I'm still amused that the admin balanced a huge eq nerf with lowering the fire weakness from 3 to 2.

edit: @Rauros: Celestines through the years have always been able to pick tanky races because their offense is based around Inquisition/soulless and passive angel crap. With the tumble and writhe nerfs recently, Inquisition is even easier. So...go tae'dae for the lulz! I mean, who doesn't want to say "You got owned by a tae'dae."

If that's all we can do, why is it considered whoring?

While an inqui/soulless combo may seem like the logical thing for every Celestine to do, absolve is used FAR more often. The new changes have made it easier on those who want to pull off that combo, but even before that, it wasn't uncommon to see taurian, lobo, or other 'slow' races amongst the Celestines. I was dwarf, merian, lobo, faeling, and human. I think the only one that sucked really badly was merian, just because of how untanky I was. I liked lobo a lot because I was a lot sturdier. It's nice now that I don't have to be all, 'AGH, I NEED A RACE THAT'S GOT FAST EQUI BALANCE!'.

But now I find myself needing to buy life runes and better robes just to keep up with warrior and monk damage, which is... highly annoying.

Because it's a stupid skill that's obscenely powerful, and the admin have deemed it underpowered and buffed it. Thus...you are a whore for using it, even if you have no other options. Sorry, it's just science.

edit: Keep in mind I'm only being half serious!

@Aison: Yeah I totally feel you with the warrior damage thing. It's nice being able to pick a race based on RP instead of OMG I NEED SPEED, but it also sucks that if you want to get involved in PVP, casters have to choose tanky races instead of high int races just so they don't die.

It actually was nerfed that badly. you can equate it to having a level 1.5 equilibrium speed prior change. level 1 before was pretty useless. Add in natural lag and you can basically round it down to a level 1. Compare to several other races. Lucidian off the top of my head. Now they have the same intelligence, but lucidian decimate them in constitution as well as don't suffer literally severe elemental weaknesses. inept resilience on a robe wearing mugwump will get you hit by 2.5k-2.7k damage by elemental runed damage weapon from a warrior. Higher with puissance.

Firstly, you can't round level 1.5 down to level 1. That's like rounding level 1 down to 0.5 and level 0 down to -0.5. Lag affects everyone equally, or should.

Secondly, level 1 was never useless. I noticed it. It was never -that- useful and L3 was always better to go for because the drawback wasn't that major, but it definitely helped.

I'm assuming "you" here means all Celestines and not me, as I've only ever used it once, ever...But now that I know it's "obscenely powerful", I'll be sure to use it more. Oh wait, that wouldn't be right, would it? I guess I'll gimp myself and stick to the loltrueheal.

okay, I was being lazy. I'll do it more logically for you. Thoros says that you should always round times to the nearest .25 of a second cause that's the way things work or something. I didn't pay attention to the why.
Current level 3 is 12% speed. Previous was 24%. on a 4 second attack speed you gained 1 second and it became 3 in the previous. Now you would attack at about 3.5 seconds.

Of course, no regular equilibrium is on 4 seconds. It's actually longer closer to 4.5 seconds or 5 seconds. Previous would be 3.5 (at a base 4.5) and now would be a 4 seconds. That's a significant impact when warriors can -choose- to be ridiculously fast. In a 1v1 a warrior can basically choose how fast they want to be. Most magic classes require mass affliction/burst affliction or outpacing affliction to win. To do that, they need to be -at least- as fast as a warrior, not slower than one.

The only reasons mugwumps were good was because they were faster. Now they aren't faster. Bard mugwumps were ridiculous. The problem was yes, mugwumps. The problem now is that they should've made all other equilibrium classes like bards. Ways to improve attack speed such as by learning up to transcendant in the skill your speed improves.

Right now, a mugwump would put you on equal speed footing, but you've lost the edge you needed to compensate for the incredible weaknesses. Honestly, change to mugwump at the end of the month and get hit by Soj's fire/electric broads. Assume he's too lazy to keep up war, then add on 10% damage for that, there's also domoth possiblilities to add, but since they aren't guarnateed we'll ignore them. But you could add 10% for vendetta (shrine power). Then see how much damage you get. This is based at top tier since you're trans resilience even though most aren't top tier otherwise it wouldn't be top. you could even go so far as to add 25% to see how much damage he'd do to the average fighter or someone you'd put in a zerg.

It'd be nice if all races had the same stats and we could just pick one we liked and RP with it .

But LOL. Not happening.

Aside of Inquisition... I really don't use it, ever, unless I get desperate or am trying hard to keep someone down... it's just a waste of power and so easy to get away from (solo!), and it leaves me with only one choice of killing someone - soulless.

Except that one time Yrael jumped me and I had enough time to get 8p back to absolve him...

I used to be against stat packs...but now I'm totally for them!