Mafia: The New American World Order

by Xavius

Back to The Real World.

Unknown2008-06-16 02:22:01
Well, that's a real monkey wrench.

Unvote: Visaeris

That theory is kind of skewed now, so it's back to the drawing board. My vote came from looking back over some posts and finding one from Visaeris referring to Rika's actions as "screaming scum" to him and another post that I cannot recall off the top of my head. With the particular shifting of votes and the exchange of ideas that had been happening, it seemed that Visaeris and Revan or Bali may have been locking onto a target and defamating them with "analysis" until we all voted for them. While I understand that we have to choose someone, it seemed suspicious to me that someone could be attacked so vehemently on little real evidence.
Silvanus2008-06-16 02:23:11
QUOTE(Visaeris Maeloch @ Jun 15 2008, 09:18 PM) 521902
So on that note, FOS Silvanus for being way way way too lurky.


I'm sorry I read the posts that pop up but don't post often, I don't post unless I have something to say.
Shiri2008-06-16 02:24:17
QUOTE(Duke of Ess @ Jun 16 2008, 03:22 AM) 521910
Well, that's a real monkey wrench.

Unvote: Visaeris

That theory is kind of skewed now, so it's back to the drawing board. My vote came from looking back over some posts and finding one from Visaeris referring to Rika's actions as "screaming scum" to him and another post that I cannot recall off the top of my head. With the particular shifting of votes and the exchange of ideas that had been happening, it seemed that Visaeris and Revan or Bali may have been locking onto a target and defamating them with "analysis" until we all voted for them. While I understand that we have to choose someone, it seemed suspicious to me that someone could be attacked so vehemently on little real evidence.


To be fair, I thought Rika was scummy too. She was just playing kind of awkwardly.

Besides, the analysis was credible. And if anyone has any problems with the analysis of Furien's posts, now would be a good time to bring them up.
Unknown2008-06-16 02:24:23
QUOTE(Duke of Ess @ Jun 15 2008, 07:22 PM) 521910
Well, that's a real monkey wrench.

Unvote: Visaeris

That theory is kind of skewed now, so it's back to the drawing board. My vote came from looking back over some posts and finding one from Visaeris referring to Rika's actions as "screaming scum" to him and another post that I cannot recall off the top of my head. With the particular shifting of votes and the exchange of ideas that had been happening, it seemed that Visaeris and Revan or Bali may have been locking onto a target and defamating them with "analysis" until we all voted for them. While I understand that we have to choose someone, it seemed suspicious to me that someone could be attacked so vehemently on little real evidence.


So why unvote me? My actions haven't changed, my style isn't going to change. I lean towards the rhetoric, I admit it. I love alliteration, and I tend to drive hard into targets. I play very aggressively.

What does Revan change? I've been the main driver on most of these votes and the fact that Revan's dead doesn't change anything, or any of the history.

This explanation feels extremely flat to me.
Unknown2008-06-16 02:28:36
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Also, Bali is bent on convincing us he's a townie with the contents of his posting. Honestly, couldn't any of us say that? Seems like he's trying too hard to fit in.


I am bent on convincing you, yes. For a good reason. ^__^;;;;

Personally I am at the point of asking a doctor for help.

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Hrm. Not sure what you're getting at here. My point was, roleblocking the same person isn't reliable even if it was a roleblock since they'll just shuffle the person if they have the ability. If it -is- a roleblocker, it'd probably be better to like...shuffle up a list of all the most scummy people to the roleblocker, roll a dice and nail that one. If it's a doctor, uh...probably Diamondais to be safe, although they can also PM-collaborate with whoever they saved last night.


I see what you are getting at, but I disagree. Look, no one died last night. Thats a good thing, right? So assuming a roleblocker DID block the right person, they can just do it again to completely shut down the SK or killer-agent, assuming they blocked the right person. What do you mean shuffle the person if they have the ability? Dont understand what you are getting at it. A roleblocker completely stops someone from making a nightchoice.

The Roleblocker chooses one player per night to block from performing his or her night choice. The target's night choice will not be performed, and the target may or may not be informed he was blocked, depending on the game mechanics. What happens when a member of the Mafia is blocked varies from mod to mod - usually Mafia families must choose a person to send to kill, and the kill is only prevented if that person is blocked. Whether a Roleblocker can themselves be blocked also varies.

Anyways I've had enough mafia for one night (Like Shiri says, I'm being neurotic, need sleep S_S). Remember kids, Furien needs to get lynched!
Unknown2008-06-16 02:31:29
Also some food for thought before I leave, assuming Shayle was the targetted person, why would the scum/government want to target her?
Unknown2008-06-16 02:32:54
Clearly, I was trying to identify some sort of group and with Revan crushed by the dark conspiracy of gravity and furniture and poor structural support (I bet construction of this hotel was all outsourced and not American-made), the dynamics of that group are changed in my mind. If that's not round enough for you, I am terribly sorry, but I really do not know WTF is going on or how I know that I am doing the right thing, so you'll have to pardon me. So I am having to re-think things. So I am changing my vote because I am no longer as comfortable with it.
Shiri2008-06-16 02:33:05
QUOTE(B_a_L_i @ Jun 16 2008, 03:28 AM) 521918
Personally I am at the point of asking a doctor for help.

Diamondais needs it more.
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I see what you are getting at, but I disagree. Look, no one died last night. Thats a good thing, right? So assuming a roleblocker DID block the right person, they can just do it again to completely shut down the SK or killer-agent, assuming they blocked the right person. What do you mean shuffle the person if they have the ability? Dont understand what you are getting at it. A roleblocker completely stops someone from making a nightchoice.

The Roleblocker chooses one player per night to block from performing his or her night choice. The target's night choice will not be performed, and the target may or may not be informed he was blocked, depending on the game mechanics. What happens when a member of the Mafia is blocked varies from mod to mod - usually Mafia families must choose a person to send to kill, and the kill is only prevented if that person is blocked. Whether a Roleblocker can themselves be blocked also varies.

Anyways I've had enough mafia for one night (Like Shiri says, I'm being neurotic, need sleep S_S). Remember kids, Furien needs to get lynched!

Well, I doubt it's an SK, it's probably a 3-4 member scum coalition. Remember last time, how you made Othero the one who decides on the kills? Well, it isn't always like that. Look at what you quoted. "Usually mafia families must choose a person to send to kill". So the roleblocker has to hit -that- person. If the mafia has this option and more than half a brain, they're going to pick someone else to do the killing specifically to -prevent- the possibility of being roleblocked again. So the roleblocker is better up rounding up potential targets and picking one at random if it's true that the mafia get to choose this game.
Unknown2008-06-16 02:33:19
QUOTE(B_a_L_i @ Jun 15 2008, 07:31 PM) 521920
Also some food for thought before I leave, assuming Shayle was the targetted person, why would the scum/government want to target her?


I thought Xavius said "if the person's name matters it won't be used", hence we all agreed that Shayle wasn't the target?
Xavius2008-06-16 02:41:43
Shayle showing up late was more a jab at her coming late to discussions because of her consistent workday. It should not be interpreted as her being targetted or not targetted.
Shiri2008-06-16 02:42:48
Oh...so that's what it was...ninja.gif
Shiri2008-06-16 02:49:06
I saw you posting Ayisdra! Finish what you started.
Ayisdra2008-06-16 02:54:46
(perhaps I missed the reasoning somewhere but) @Bali: Why are you in color now?
Maybe Shiri is some cult leader and converted balizar?

Anyway, to the issue about us few that haven't been talking, all of them are townie (those of us that have been lynched.) The mafia want to blend in, perhaps we should be going after the most active instead? but for now:

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Also, I agree with Visaeris about people not voting. Its getting old. Just vote people!


Just vote? Fine VOTE: FURIEN for not making any counter replys to analysis of her posts (do correct me as if i missed it if she did)

@shiri, yes you did see me posting, i was in the process of looking for posts and such (as above with my quick look for Furien's posts)
Shiri2008-06-16 02:57:21
I think Balizar is posting in colour because he's tired.

No, the mafia are not the more active ones, and that's a terrible and boring way to play anyway. Putting pressure on the inactive ones makes them post and vote which at least makes it more interesting.
Unknown2008-06-16 02:59:10
We're at 5 out of 8 on Furien. Now would be a good time to present your countercase/roleclaim if you have any, Furien.
Diamondais2008-06-16 03:00:15
Who is "inactive" right now?
Shiri2008-06-16 03:00:23
QUOTE(Visaeris Maeloch @ Jun 16 2008, 03:59 AM) 521940
We're at 5 out of 8 on Furien. Now would be a good time to present your countercase/roleclaim if you have any, Furien.


He signed off MSN a while ago, so we'll just wait till he gets back.
Unknown2008-06-16 03:01:45
Oh and since it slipped my mind.. I would like an explanation for your absence lately Ayisdra.. And I think you need to be more active.

Usually the scum are the lurky types, because they usually wait for night because that's when they get to act... Like I said, I'm not gonna FOS you, but you need to make sure you stay active, especially since we don't have a whole lot of evidence to run on after Furien goes kaput..

The inactive ones are gonna be the ones to go.
Xavius2008-06-16 03:02:26
QUOTE(diamondais @ Jun 15 2008, 10:00 PM) 521941
Who is "inactive" right now?

Shiri 159
Visaeris Maeloch 76
B_a_L_i 54
diamondais 51
Xavius 49
Rauros 44
rika 42
Arix 36
Furien 34
casilu 30
Duke of Ess 28
Exeryte 25
Xenthos 24
Silvanus 22
Revan 21
Shayle 21
Othero 18
Ayisdra 13
Shamarah 10

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Arix died on day one. Hint, hint.
Shiri2008-06-16 03:04:05
So primarily Othero and Ayisdra. Shayle, Silvanus and Exeryte have been making an effort, and I think Duke and above are in "reasonably active" territory. Furien is of course under suspicion for different reasons.