The short summary is that the family system in place is too strict and people want to see it loosened up a bit. The longer version with specifics follows.


Grabbing complaints out of my head and from other threads:

Things people would like to see:
1.) The ability to disown your children or otherwise cast people out of the family

2.) Adopt both siblings in a bloodbond (it only makes sense that if they're siblings they can have the same parents. Making bloodbonded sibs unadoptable is silly)

3.) Able to adopt parentless people even if they're in a marriage

4.) Some way to eliminate the need for three people to be online at the same time to make an adoption.

5.) Access to birth family channels (only applicable to Great Houses, but w/e)

6.) Able to bequeathe something (manse, clan, whatever) to the family, similar to the way items/manses/clans/etc can be deeded to guilds

7.) Allow larger "founding groups" (e.g. "This family was founded by Bob, Joe, Sue, and Jane" rather than restricting it to two.)


Taken from the helpfiles:
Passing through the Portal of Fate forges the soul for greatness, but it
also creates some very substantive obstacles, one of which is the fact
that your memory has many holes. Some people may face the challenge of
finding the lost familial threads of his or her life. This is not an easy
task as even your parents may not easily recognize you, perhaps because of
actual physical alterations or perhaps because reality itself has slightly
shifted as the Fates spun your destiny.

Thus I think that there really shouldn't be hardcoded definitions to what constitutes a "family". Insofar as IG is concerned, someone might enter the Portal as a 129037 year old elfen and come out a 17 year old tae'dae. At least... That's my understanding.


Other family related threads:
http://forums.lusternia.com/index.php?showtopic=14914
http://forums.lusternia.com/index.php?showtopic=14937
http://forums.lusternia.com/index.php?showtopic=12224
http://forums.lusternia.com/index.php?showtopic=9055

I definitely want #1, and when you do it, it completely ejects said person from the bloodline files... not just a next to it.

#2 is complicated. When you bloodbond with someone, you are -creating- a new family... so how are they supposed to find parents with the same surname if they're the ones who formed the family? Siblings don't just go off and start new family surnames when they have kids. It's why >waiting to be bloodlined< is VERY IMPORTANT. You can have 2 married people bloodline each person one at a time and be siblings that way.

#3: Yes please! I don't understand why married people can't be bloodlined after the fact.

#4: I wish the agreements could come via messages, or a certain syntax. "Please type BLOODLINE WITH and then AGREE if you are sure you want to do this." But then again, that doesn't solve it for people who go dormant - if a spouse is dormant (unranked), then their presence shouldn't be needed to bloodline. All that really does is make people divorce others...

#5 & 6 are fine the way they are because Great Houses can lose that Great House status at any time. If you have 50 active people and then one goes dormant, so you only have 49, you lose the status.

That's my 2 cents.

Number 4 please! That at least.

*has been waiting to adopt her kids for half a RL year*

Main things I'd like are the ability to bloodbond more than one person, and the ability to choose which family you count as part of (the person marrying in shouldn't HAVE to lose their name, makes for ugly politics.)

Fix'd.

Also, why can we not have single parents? We have parents of vastly different races and parents of one sex, why not single parents?

More then one siblings on familys that are already founded and are already large familys (d'Murani and Luthe being the third brother, he gets kind of left out).

I know it might be hard to code or something, but can let's say... Great Houses have the ability to add in another sibling to the first generation?

No reason for it to be limited to houses that are already 50-members large.

I know, but limitting it would be better because they said before it's too hard to code. I was hoping limitting it would help, or if they could just add Luthe into the family tree, I really don't know how code works.

This confused me as well.



So, let me get this straight. You can get doped up, you can get drunk off your highhorse, you even have an ORGASM emote that you can use on dead corpses, but the second someone mentions raising a child on their own the Fates have a fit?

I donno, something seems up with that.

Edit: Also, note the blue underline. Why would you need two people to raise a child, if you're adopting them? I mean, I could understand HAVING a child needing two people... but then you'd have to get rid of them being able to be different races, and them being able to be the same gender.

Then how are exiles like Casilu and Thoros supposed to slowly tarnish the family reputation?

I don't think all of the mentioned fixes are required but definitely at least a few of them would make the system _much_ more bearable. From my understanding, the family system is REALLY messy and not flexible but... does that mean it cannot be recoded? Other things can, why not that which is so central to many people's RP? We were asked where we wish the coding focus to shift: here!

I could certainly live with a shift of focus from combat/areas/etc. to look at the giant mess that is the Family system here. Thumbsup to this idea

Thumbs up on Nejii's ideas. It would be fantastic to be able to bloodbond people into the family as siblings after the initial founding. It would also be great to be able to choose which family you're a part of. A married couple could be part of two different families. The children could then choose which family they want to be a part of based on which family their parents acknowledge.

So let's say Pharamon marries a Starleaf. He can choose to be a Starleaf or an Inalai and she can choose to be a Starleaf or an Inalai. If they both choose Starleaf than their kids can only choose to be Starleaf and vice versa with Inalai. If one stays Starleaf and the other Inalai then their children can choose either Inalai or Starleaf.

I like them, only.. I wish to see single parents be able to adopt children. I must admit, explaining to people a million times over and over ingame is getting compleatly annoying that while I am not officialy adopted, I am still Synl's child. Single parents exist in the real world, and for whatever reason IG I am sure that there is more besides just me wanting to be adopted. Weather this needs to be an acception or something else I would really like to see Synl's name in Evette's familiy tree, cause we all know deep inside, she's still her daddy's girl

Well, obviously that's the best possible invented RP justification for a fairly unchangeable mechanic. Think outside of the game.

It is very frustrating. Aison is Faragan's child, always has been, always will be, but she got married before he did and now she can never become his official child (also, she doesn't want to be Shric's kid... just Faragan's). It sucks. He bloodlined other kids, but it's like... Aison was the first, and should be considered so .



You aren't supposed to want that!

It's alot of fun, you should try it.

It would be cool if you could be a single parent

and to think, he came up with this partly because of me

i luvs you, IG-not-official-YET-but-i-still-call-you-it-anyways daddy

Just allow it to go only one generation back - you can be either the name your mum currently has, or the one your dad currently has, or the one your husband/wife has, or (if you have no parents) your bloodbond-one.