Gore blows. think about what you're saying, 1/4 health? 70% of Lusternia has less than 5k health I'd say. Gore tends to do 900-1100 damage. 33% chance to impale (absolutely useless in all demesne situations because treelife > impale) just about anyone who's at 25% health will die to pure damage rather than the instant kill. If they aren't at the 25% mark and just above it, they'll die to headbutt instead. Gore also costs 2 power which is megalame. It's only good if you try to gank someone for instant impalement or raiding ethereal cause it'll be better than cudgel.

You also have frickin' annoying hoist and squall, to be fair.

Swoop is also nullified in a lot of treelife situations, because your target has to be on the ground. Also, swoop drags your target to the trees...so to use it repeatedly, you have to shove your target or wait for treebane to tic. Gore still does HEALTH damage, not mana like swoop and caw. Naturally, in team combat situations, damage is always better. 900-1100 damage and a possible impale beats 500 damage cudgel hands down. All I'm saying is Crow users need something that compares to what Stag users have that can be used when they aren't holding a demesne.

Have you tried to cudgel shuyin to death? Even in sap it's just depressing.



I put those both in the "meh" category. I'd use hoist more if it was instant and people didn't see it coming.

Well, not enough experience with crow yet so I'm not commenting on it. Mostly correcting Celina's remark about gore. General opinion and so far my own when I look through the midnight sanctum skillset of crow is that stag is better. Medicine bag totally rocks. Stag totem/ancestral curse are awesome. trueheart is nice as well as the speed stripes. stagstomp is pretty nice. There's also roomwide stun with bellow. Pacing is absolutely awesome. Sacrifice blows, but I'm not really concerned with changing it anymore Ringwalk is really good. many of the current stag users don't even use a number of these skills. I've seen Akui use ringwalk and she's even used ancestral curse in 1v1 situations.

Cudgel does 900-1100 or more depending on intelligence you non trans druidry person

Psh, I've been trans druidry. 16 int = 759(exactly. it doesn't fluxuate at all, which is weird) damage against an acro monk. I've tested the crapyness of cudgel.

See all those useful skills in stag? The list of crow skills that I actually use is half that long, and some like birdseye are just because I can't be bothered to get a window enchant.

hm, I remember my cudgel doing 1100. That was before racial, but that didn't really do anything but lower my intelligence one.

I bet you could nature curse for more than that. I just went through the list and some of it seems really useful actually. I've already got one plan in mind, but it's mostly only for a domoth thing.

CHOKEMESNE ISN'T ENOUGH FOR YOU??????

You are a demi Yours is going to be higher than mine.

Well have fun trying out all the crow stuff. Make sure you have a link to Lack of Rants saved. Fear the Nestcall!

hahah

Just wait until I add 4 more effects to it. Plus other things if I would just get unlazy and do the alias/macro work I'd need to utilize it.

Swoop is the only Crow skill I really use. I don't even use it for damage, I mostly just use it to move the person around in elevation as it's convenient to me. If someone doesn't have levitation up, swooping and treebane is lots o' fun. If they die because of it, cool.

Edit: And for squall and hoist, those are only skills that you can use in group combat. Not to mention that squall only works about half of the time and for hoist... well, if it's one on one.. 'Ashai begins to swoop down from the sky, talons poi-HEXGRAM'

We're only talking about group combat, otherwise you'd be in your demesne. That's the subject Celina is complaining about, anyway.

Squall only working half the time is actually a benefit. You don't want to move -every- member, you want to move a whole bunch of members and squash the rest.

I'm under the impression that squall works on every person in the room an not just personal enemies. I haven't actually asked anyone so I could easily be wrong.

Yep, hits everyone.

Yes, I'm complaining about group combat and the lack of options available to druids. Mages still have psionics. I just want options

Oh. Ok, that makes it less useful. Still not totally worthless though. Does it go through block/shield/off-eq?

Gore's only really useful for the occasional impale or when you're taking on a Demigod that you can only get so low in health under sap. Otherwise, it's useful for quickly stealing the well-deserved deathsights you get as a Druid, being the one who does the most work. Especially when Nejii, Xiel or Shuyin beat out your damage in half a second. Yay instakill.

Yeeaah, not sure why people are singing the praises of gore. I'd take swoop over gore. Now, if you want to trade every other skill in Crow for every other skill in Stag, I'm completely ok with that.

They both have their good points and their bad, they're strong in different areas.

Not really. Stag is both better defensively and better at perpetuating a saplock, and let's be honest, druid offense that doesn't contribute to sap doesn't count.

I think that's kind of the point-- Stag has strong areas (healing), while Crow really doesn't have a strength. It's got some weaker counterparts to Stag's healing, but especially with the Rebirth fix, it's mostly just a weak Stag with little focus.

I feel it was the only reason at all to even make stag and crow comparable because no exp loss death and forming back in home territory pretty much counts as the ultimate defense. Though now that rebirth got the exp loss, I think we can get some Crow changes going.