I can easily see why it not working retroactively would be harming but my usual sentiment is such cases is... would you rather not have it at all if you cannot have it work like that? Personally, I'd prefer to have this even if it didn't work retroactively. It could be troublesome code-wise to get this to work this way since there'd have to be records of whether said person was or wasn't in the family at the time.

Alternatively lets assign everyone 'value' and adding a known writer would then add lots and lots of shiny points.

I say let each person have their own inherent value that they add to the family. That way, if they get fed up, they leave and take their accomplishments with them. It's the person, not the family name, that's famous. Example, people aren't gonna go "ooh, Family is sooooo awesome" they're gonna say "Wow! Look at Kaervas!".

Except they do. You know, Kaervas being d'Murani and all.

ima just gonna say yay

I can hear the sound of a million coders screaming bloody murder.

Prestige publications are a good idea, and I will add that.

Rank, publications, and guild honours are too consistent to award points for, unless honour loss over time is drastically increased. The only passive honour currently is gained from family members holding elected seats (city leader, GM, GA, GC) in the city or commune with which the family is aligned, and those seats require activity and political savvy to maintain. I chose to exclude things like guildfavours because the potential for abuse and nepotism is too great in my mind.

I do support the current size of Great House status, because I feel that the size of an org is a valid metric to determine its health and success. Successful organizations are those that draw in new members. The other side of the "newton farming" coin is that those are newbies that are getting a lot more attention from established players than your average newbies, which (idealistically) enriches roleplay and helps retain new players in Lusternia - making the world as a whole a more vibrant place. More cynically, I'm sure there are a number of people who would just induct someone into a family and never talk to them again, but I think they are likely to have some competition; hopefully a newbie will be more enticed towards a family that encourages and supports them.

Here's an idea to brainstorm though: if there were an alternate set of requirements to become a Great House, what would they be? 25 members and an application to the admin? A vote of the city's ruling council and a power drain on the nexus? Something else? What are your thoughts?

Hrm. What if a Great House generated honour based on ascendants in it? True ascendants will generate honour while Vernal ascendants will only generate honour if the family associates themselves with the org first. Just seems like something that'd strengthen the force of your family, having these omgwtfwow people in it.

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I'm already getting all kinds of tells from people asking me to join their family. *mutter*

I think there is more than enough popularity contests in Lusternia, without adding another.

This, right here, should only apply for Historic Great Houses/families such as Inalai, n'Kylbar, d'Murani, etc. Let those people who've put creative time and energy into founding a historic GH have the honor of actually -being- a great house.

I'm not sure how the suggested requirements denote any form of popularity contest actually. It works for the city if they have a great house so they should approve and for a family of that size, having so many members of that org in, can you imagine them not approving?

In any case, my ideas relied almost solely on work of the house itself to raise to Great House but those don't seem bad either. After all, it is to be an alternative. Although I still don't like the idea of 'I have 50 people, I have a Great House!' system.

Morgfyre: What about just adding lesser houses?

Seriously, getting 50 people into one house is enough of a challenge. Especially when you consider that the most people ever online in Glomdoring alone is 30-ish max. I agree that marshaling 50 people under one family name is an amazingly awesome accomplishment, but without the YEARS of head start that other families have had, the rest of us will be able to even benefit from this change until next year.

Unless, of course, we all just gather around one family. In that case, Lusternia will just be four orgs/families in one massive feud, and that's incredibly boring.


The Lesser House of

Requirements:
-20-25 active members.
-Official acceptance by a single organization.
-Official Divine Patron.

*EDIT* Made a new topic, obviously not the right place for this

Hmm, are you saying only the historic families can be a great house regardless of numbers or only historic families should have an alternative method of getting to great house i.e. the 25 members, vote, whatever and other famlies could get there with a flat 50 members?

An alternative to the amount of family members deciding house status would be tracking honor for all houses and having houses that are above a certain threshold be great houses.

saying they should have the alternative method, Cat.

I agree with Revan, if the admins have already approved a historic great house, then they should be made a great house. It is not an easy process to become one of the historic Houses in Lusternia. Perhaps with a lesser amount of family required to maintain it, i.e normal peons take 50 members, admin approved historic houses take 25.

Other than the four main houses (Dekoven, Mes'ard, d'Murani, Talnara), who is even getting close to this?

Dropping the number for it by a -lot- seems like a good idea. And I don't think historic houses should be the only ones to benefit from this, as it's no easier or harder to play than a regular large family.

I'd love to see the larger... self-made? houses incorporated into things like events, it might be awkward but it would be randomly cool.



This seems likely to cause a rise in enemy statuses... reason: "I'm going to jump them... for the glory of our house >_>"

I like it, but that would require the family and Divine to cooperate with the things involved to make sure they're not completely out of character for the family and I don't think the Divine want to do that.