He is from Aetolia. And I am going to change my envoy vote. Envoy Vote: Nay I don't think we should just grant extra votes.

Galleus is from Aetolia, so yes, they have spirituality. However, that is the game that has vampires, so, we may have a vampire cult.

The envoy vote is interesting. Freeing the angels could be a good thing or bad thing, depending who gets it. Even if it is protection (which I think it could be instead, but extra votes would seem more logical here...) or extra votes, the chance of giving those to the scum would hurt us.

Envoy vote: nay

It's just a guess, Othero. Probably wrong, too... I'm just trying to figure out what sort of scum we all need to be looking for. I'm not sure about a cult (I really hope there's not a cult,) but vampires seem like they'd be the main scum group in this game. Emphasis on "main."

But in any case, I'm gonna Envoy Vote: Nay on the assumption that it won't make things worse.

Vote Count
Thul - 1 (Balizar)
Balizar - 1 (Thul)
Okin - 1 (Othero)

10 to lynch.

Envoy Votes
Yea - 2 (Balizar, Casilu)
Nay - 5 (Druken, Xavius, Othero, Ayisdra, Thul)

10 to pass/kill motion.

Envoy Vote: Nay. Enfranchising probably means giving another vote to someone and I don't like doublevote powers. Plus, Celestines

I'm gonna vote Thul, because I think he was the last person to send in his nightchoice, either him or Ryleth, because I saw everyone else on the forums in the intervening time.

OH GOD IM BANDWAGONING

The focus of Aetolia seems to be on the dark/vampires and all that but they do have spirtuality - don't they call them 'archons' or something there though? Or seraphs? The envoy specifically says 'Angels' which is what they are called specifically in Lusternia, ((well usually-archangels))

So I'm going to Envoy Vote: Yea

Just realised my post is a bit of a confused mess

Aetolia - Called seraphs
Lusternia - called angels/archangels
Post refers to angels

Seraphs are angels. Like, by definition.

Yes, but I'm working off the specific word usage rather than..the catch all celestial beings

I wouldn't do that, especially after Shamarah said that most motions affect both sides.

You know, maybe you're the one with seraphs. Vote: Ryleth

You're creepy and manipulative, Xavius, so I think you're using circuitous logic.

Vote: Xavius

Hey, I learned creepy and manipulative from the same person you did.

Xavius seems to have entirely too much of an agenda about the angels.

Vote: Xavius and Envoy Vote: Yea unless he actually explains himself rather than pushing the issue.

I did explain myself. Enfranchise means give a vote to. Shamarah said that motions affect both sides. Our visitor is from Aetolia. Aetolia has angels. I'd sooner get lynched than give double votes to scum.

Envoy Vote: Nay

I don't really know what it does, was it explained? Plus, sorry for lurking, blame Southgard.

Can we vote no lynch first day? It's always annoying lynching somebody first day especially when we were just down two.

Enfranchise could also mean 'to set free' but in the end, it is really a matter of "Do we want to risk the chance of giving people we don't want something of power"

No one uses enfranchise to mean 'set free,' and I highly doubt Shamarah sat with a dictionary by his side while writing roles and envoy things. About the only way I could justify voting in favor of this if we get reason to believe that the Aetolian visitors are all vampires, and we're just plain not going to get that on day one.

Envoy vote: Nay Celestines are already OP. Their angels don't need more votes to compound inquisition!