Karnagan if you dont get nightkilled I'm going to be highly suspicious. As bad as that sounds.

Once again, for those of you in the cheap seats: my post to Balizar, with quotey goodness attached, detailing Visaeris' sketchy voting.



It was _A_ roar skill, Bali. If there's another one of those things around, it could very well have been them. But I'm taking no chances, as being blocked once means the Mafia knows my name and wants me dead. How convenient, eh, if some of them could have me hanged by the villagers? Saves them the trouble of worrying exactly who is going to be protecting me tonight, and with what.

Like I said. Visaeris blocked the angel vote. Now it becomes clear that the scum very much wanted this to happen, as there's a vigilante out there who is on our side. As scum, Visaeris also wants us to not protect the Celestine- why? Because that killer is going to attack anyone who seems scummy, and certainly will if they have Investigate powers, or can talk with someone who has those powers.



Again- why is Visaeris trying to cast doubt on the Lusternian? Because he's scum and wants to make sure we lose. I'd feel a little better about this if his interests hadn't previously intersected with Xavius', who we definitely know was Mafia.



He was the fifth person to vote with the anti-angel crowd. We've already established that Xavius, first to do so, was as Mafia as Tony Soprano.

Not to mention, Visaeris saw Ayisdra withdraw her anti-Daganev vote and instead want an explanation from him, after he blatantly called Thul out as an investigator. Yeah. Why doesn't the scum just go ahead and paint a bullseye on Thul's forehead? She's either a very poor player, or a mafia who wanted the slimmest veneer of deniability.



I'm telling you- if Visaeris is REALLY looking for a chance that someone could be a Mafia, as opposed to the idea that we need to find and kill a townie, she's suspicious. Heck, she was one of the first people to jump on the anti-angel train. And now it's quite clear that the man with the angel is going to be saving our lives as a town.

QUOTE(Ryleth @ Jun 27 2008, 02:02 PM)
As for avoiding the Visaeris issue, in a post of this page I acknoledge it:




Hmm, isn't that aside from the actual quote? My quote was about Visaeris, not your use of emotional language. (oh yes and technically posted before the probing in emotion language)

Who says there is only one mafia? There are four iron realms, the theory runs that it is Aetolian mafia against Lusternians as per Shamarah's prologue post but it can't be ruled out, especialy as two night kills occured even when a SK (daganev) had been killed. Also lay off the condescending 'oh here is a hint' noob mafia player eh? . I'm not denying your right to be emotive, just curious to it's use.

Hey, I don't blame you, man. It'd be foolish for the town NOT to arrange protection for me, though, and something to prevent any attack from going through on me would work lovely, like Pit. Why? Because my work is what's going to keep ANOTHER major townie alive.

All I want from you is to have your vote going to kill a mafia, when Visaeris posts his roleclaim.

I was addressing every word of your comment, not just my use of emotional language. Like Daganev, you're bobbing and weaving all over the place, and running from your foxholes when my artillery of Icy Reason comes crashing down on them. And look how well that worked out for him!



Man o man. Like Visaeris, you seem invested in the concept that the dude who threw out a judgement is from another realm. As I've said earlier: it's entirely plausible that there might be a second scum faction. But I still say that we should be regarding the Celestian as one of our own- not denying the dude assistance like Visaeris would have us do.

I'll do as I like when I speak. I'm actually a very amiable guy, but I argue relentlessly. You've devoted far more effort to my "tone" than you have used to discuss Visaeris: most likely because you don't have an argument at all against it. At best, it's a little silly. At worst, it's because you're trying and failing to discredit the guy leading a run on the Mafia.

That's pretty plausible, Bali, and my compliments for making the case. However, one minor quibble- the mafia haven't been attacking each other. In fact, where they've been killing people, it's usually been of us townies. The only mafia to go down in the night was Xavius, and that to a Judgement. The odds are better that such is the work of a Vigilante, and not a Scum. By contrast, Daganev probably killed someone as the serial killer a little while ago, before his untimely death.

As a result, there isn't even necessarily a second mafia. We have to be careful, especially with how the night shakes out, but I'm leaning towards the Aetolians being on the run.

No doubt the colours have been hypnotizing you. I've made it quite clear in my many posts!



I'm glad you asked that question! Notice that there was no killing of mafia on Night 0. I bet the Inquisitor was gathering information, got lucky, and took the shot.

Now he's really lucky. Ryleth is practically screaming out for a vigilante kill, and I don't quite trust Ayisdra. So the Vig has lots of targets after we hang Visaeris.



Yup. Had the entire thing mapped out logically as I laid the smackdown to the third last mafia, then had the next two on a death list. We didn't have a vig, though, so it would have been a matter of simply calling them out during the day phase. The game was ended due to inactivity, though.

Ah, but my point about a second mafia wasn't directed as this celestian vigilante (if there is one). I can use your point - A man can be as emotive as he likes: if he lays out an ironclad case against a mafia member and is the first to do so, he probably ain't a Mafia. (unless there are two mafias).

As to your addressing of all of my comment, I believe you have twisted my meaning. We were discussing my not 'acknowleding' Visaeris's suspicious actions. Please would you enlighten me as to how you addressed all my comment? here are the quotes that I see pertaining to such:




Am I the one bobbing and weaving?

Oh and this caught my eye:

Ryleth:
Karnagan:


Balizar:

Karnagan:


So, we both said the same thing technically. I get scummy looks and a comparison to the hereso most suspected person alive. Balizar gets a round of applause and a pat on the back?

Yeah, fair enough. And looking back you could insinuate from my argument that I was denying the inquisition kill as a possible celestian and hence probably friendly to us. So you can discount my last post comparing Bali and myself

Thank you. That isn't to say I trust you, mind- you could simply be diggin yourself out of the hole you've made.



I'd have to be really, really good to pull that off at this time, Bali.

At any rate, gentlemen: remember, our eyes are looking on who will and will not visit justice upon the Mafia. Stay ready to drop the hammer after Visaeris walks in.

I was going to point that out. Karnagan's been pushing the Celestine/Paladin = vigilante angle pretty hard. If he's blasting you, that's why.

I don't know exactly what Karnagan does, but his story fits well enough with the evidence and the alignment he's been giving off, so I'm inclined to believe him, even if he's a bit emotional for my tastes.

We know next to nothing about Ryleth, by contrast, except that he disappears at convenient moments. I'd like to recommend that we light a fire under him the instant this Visaeris thing is resolved, whether that's at the start of Day 3 or after he's managed to give a convincing roleclaim.

Thank you, Thul. I should suggest that Ryleth give his roleclaim now: if there is a vigilante out there, he probably has Ryleth under the gun for later tonight.