Karnagan2008-06-28 17:58:34
So you do understand Mafia pretty well. Thanks, that is what I had figured- that you knew exactly what you were doing. As I said before, though, I was already disrupted the other night, and I had figured that wasn't coincidence. Therefore, by advertising my status as a doctor, it made sure I was LESS likely to be targetted, as my group spent time defending me.
Ayisdra2008-06-28 18:03:57
While the doctor is normally a important role we have no idea what esle is out there, there could be more important roles worth protecting then a doctor. With a game type as this you need to think more than your basic 'town,mafia, cop, doctor and roleblocking' roles.
Karnagan2008-06-28 18:06:02
You always need to consider possible roles, true. At the same time- doctors are always important. While they are alive, and certainly during the late game, their ability to keep powerful townies alive is invaluable. I'm not sure what could be worth more than that, besides maybe the Vigilante.
Thul2008-06-28 18:13:44
Okay... analysis time.
Visaeris and Okin both had the Vengeance ability. I was briefly worried that Vengeance only went to the scum, as a balancing mechanism for the way we had two dead by Day 2, but as far as I can determine, it seems to have gone to people with Necromancy. Anyone with nightkill abilities bypasses Vengeance entirely, though... which is why everyone voted for it in the first place... which is frigging irritating.
Does Xavius's "Decay" sound like a magic kill to anyone? We've got at least one Aetolian left, but I'm trying to decide if it's two or more...
"You have a demon." Does that do anything, or is that just a potential multivote power? Moot point right now, but that description is irritatingly vague, especially when there's someone with an angel about, which I'm assuming functions similarly.
The non-mafia nightkiller is not playing ball with Karnagan, and I believe is still killing. Last night's attack was physical, so I think it's a Paladin... do Paladins get Judgement? I'm not familiar with Celest as a whole.
Both the mafia and other kill are a little confusing. Okin's been suspiciously lurky for a while, so I'm not surprised one side or the other thought he was dangerous. Furien... not the largest contributor, but I'm guessing the mafia did her in.
I'm going to assume that Karnagan is still alive in the hopes that we'd lynch him today. Really, Karnagan, your logic, stripped of emotion, is actually just baffling... I'm pretty sure that if Visaeris hadn't just given up he'd've had you strung up with ridiculous ease. I'm reasonably certain you wouldn't point a giant finger at Visaeris like that if you were mafia and already down your roleblocker, and nobody else claimed to be a Roar target, so I think you're town, but I want the full roleclaim. You've already given out your ability, so why not?
Envoy Vote: Yea I've been wondering why we haven't had any investigators speak up yet... then this vote pops up and it occurs that we might not have actually had any up until this point. I'm going to be super-pissed if this backfires, which isn't outside the realm of possibility given yesterday.
Vote: Ryleth Lurking, dodging a roleclaim yesterday through the power of absence. I did say I wanted to light a fire under him yesterday, and so let's get to it.
Visaeris and Okin both had the Vengeance ability. I was briefly worried that Vengeance only went to the scum, as a balancing mechanism for the way we had two dead by Day 2, but as far as I can determine, it seems to have gone to people with Necromancy. Anyone with nightkill abilities bypasses Vengeance entirely, though... which is why everyone voted for it in the first place... which is frigging irritating.
Does Xavius's "Decay" sound like a magic kill to anyone? We've got at least one Aetolian left, but I'm trying to decide if it's two or more...
"You have a demon." Does that do anything, or is that just a potential multivote power? Moot point right now, but that description is irritatingly vague, especially when there's someone with an angel about, which I'm assuming functions similarly.
The non-mafia nightkiller is not playing ball with Karnagan, and I believe is still killing. Last night's attack was physical, so I think it's a Paladin... do Paladins get Judgement? I'm not familiar with Celest as a whole.
Both the mafia and other kill are a little confusing. Okin's been suspiciously lurky for a while, so I'm not surprised one side or the other thought he was dangerous. Furien... not the largest contributor, but I'm guessing the mafia did her in.
I'm going to assume that Karnagan is still alive in the hopes that we'd lynch him today. Really, Karnagan, your logic, stripped of emotion, is actually just baffling... I'm pretty sure that if Visaeris hadn't just given up he'd've had you strung up with ridiculous ease. I'm reasonably certain you wouldn't point a giant finger at Visaeris like that if you were mafia and already down your roleblocker, and nobody else claimed to be a Roar target, so I think you're town, but I want the full roleclaim. You've already given out your ability, so why not?
Envoy Vote: Yea I've been wondering why we haven't had any investigators speak up yet... then this vote pops up and it occurs that we might not have actually had any up until this point. I'm going to be super-pissed if this backfires, which isn't outside the realm of possibility given yesterday.
Vote: Ryleth Lurking, dodging a roleclaim yesterday through the power of absence. I did say I wanted to light a fire under him yesterday, and so let's get to it.
Karnagan2008-06-28 18:26:49
Or, Thul, the Vigilante is playing ball with me- and was promptly stopped by a mafia roleblocker ability, because the mafia saw our intentions telegraphed from some ways away.
Anyways, thinking like a mafia would got us the best leads. Now Visaeris and Xavius are both dead, and their voting patterns are similar in very specific ways. Ayisdra is the next most similar compared to these people, so that's why I thought he had to go. The mafia can try to hope the town lynches me- but it would be bloody dumb, given that I just led the lynch mob against one of their own. So if that was their thought, it wasn't a particularly clever one.
Yes, Vengeance seems to only work against the town, and never for it. That is irritating, but not unsurmountable. Bear in mind that Decay is a magic attack, so killing people with it will result in a succumb to magic message. As for the demon- I believe that it might have been empowered somehow in the event that angels were. Who knows? In Achaea, angels/demons can definitely spy- perhaps our entities would get the same ability here. Who's to say?
As for the roleclaim: oh, very well. Suppose I may as well throw out the information. I'm a runic hartstone, who uses Stag, Runes, and Druidry. My main ability is Sacrifice- that apparently lets me keep a target from dying, and I am not eligible to use it on myself. I hope that satisfies us. Again, considering how I just offed a mafia, we'd better not be wasting our investigates on townies when the scum is still hiding out there.
Anyways, thinking like a mafia would got us the best leads. Now Visaeris and Xavius are both dead, and their voting patterns are similar in very specific ways. Ayisdra is the next most similar compared to these people, so that's why I thought he had to go. The mafia can try to hope the town lynches me- but it would be bloody dumb, given that I just led the lynch mob against one of their own. So if that was their thought, it wasn't a particularly clever one.
Yes, Vengeance seems to only work against the town, and never for it. That is irritating, but not unsurmountable. Bear in mind that Decay is a magic attack, so killing people with it will result in a succumb to magic message. As for the demon- I believe that it might have been empowered somehow in the event that angels were. Who knows? In Achaea, angels/demons can definitely spy- perhaps our entities would get the same ability here. Who's to say?
As for the roleclaim: oh, very well. Suppose I may as well throw out the information. I'm a runic hartstone, who uses Stag, Runes, and Druidry. My main ability is Sacrifice- that apparently lets me keep a target from dying, and I am not eligible to use it on myself. I hope that satisfies us. Again, considering how I just offed a mafia, we'd better not be wasting our investigates on townies when the scum is still hiding out there.
Karnagan2008-06-28 18:29:15
Oh, and I think we should start working on Ryleth, as well.
UNVOTE: Ayisdra
VOTE: Ryleth
UNVOTE: Ayisdra
VOTE: Ryleth
Silvanus2008-06-28 18:48:03
QUOTE(Karnagan @ Jun 28 2008, 01:26 PM) 526934
As for the roleclaim: oh, very well. Suppose I may as well throw out the information. I'm a runic hartstone, who uses Stag, Runes, and Druidry. My main ability is Sacrifice- that apparently lets me keep a target from dying, and I am not eligible to use it on myself. I hope that satisfies us. Again, considering how I just offed a mafia, we'd better not be wasting our investigates on townies when the scum is still hiding out there.
I'm very confused about this roleclaim.
What skillset is sacrifice attached to and how are you a doctor if you have to sacrifice yourself to save somebody? And if you already used it and were roleblocked, shouldn't you be dead? And how does Sacrifice attach itself to one of your skills and make you a doctor to protect somebody?
I am going to go ahead and Envoy Vote: Yes because I can see it helping a Ninjakari or Nekotai more then an Aetolian, Imperian or Achaean class (Syssin get eavesdrop in Aetolia and that one is dead).
Silvanus2008-06-28 18:51:13
Well, I don't know Druid skills to well:
Either way, you are a limited role-doctor if anything that I can think of, not a full-set Doctor.
QUOTE
Syntax: STAGCALL SACRIFICE FOR
Power: 10 (Moonhart)
This powerful ability embodies the self-sacrificing nature of the White Hart. Using it you may either choose to sacrifice your own health
and well-being for a singular person, in which case you will be severely weakened, or for an entire area, in which case you will have to
give up your life.
Power: 10 (Moonhart)
This powerful ability embodies the self-sacrificing nature of the White Hart. Using it you may either choose to sacrifice your own health
and well-being for a singular person, in which case you will be severely weakened, or for an entire area, in which case you will have to
give up your life.
Either way, you are a limited role-doctor if anything that I can think of, not a full-set Doctor.
Karnagan2008-06-28 18:52:04
QUOTE(Silvanus @ Jun 28 2008, 04:18 PM) 526945
I'm very confused about this roleclaim.
What skillset is sacrifice attached to and how are you a doctor if you have to sacrifice yourself to save somebody? And if you already used it and were roleblocked, shouldn't you be dead? And how does Sacrifice attach itself to one of your skills and make you a doctor to protect somebody?
I am going to go ahead and Envoy Vote: Yes because I can see it helping a Ninjakari or Nekotai more then an Aetolian, Imperian or Achaean class (Syssin get eavesdrop in Aetolia and that one is dead).
What skillset is sacrifice attached to and how are you a doctor if you have to sacrifice yourself to save somebody? And if you already used it and were roleblocked, shouldn't you be dead? And how does Sacrifice attach itself to one of your skills and make you a doctor to protect somebody?
I am going to go ahead and Envoy Vote: Yes because I can see it helping a Ninjakari or Nekotai more then an Aetolian, Imperian or Achaean class (Syssin get eavesdrop in Aetolia and that one is dead).
Jeez, Silvanus. Read up on Scrying Pool, Sacrifice is in Stag. I don't use the ability if the target isn't attacked, and apparently the role doesn't make me kill myself to save someone's life. So go me.
Karnagan2008-06-28 18:53:09
QUOTE(Silvanus @ Jun 28 2008, 04:21 PM) 526947
Well, I don't know Druid skills to well:
Either way, you are a limited role-doctor if anything that I can think of, not a full-set Doctor.
Either way, you are a limited role-doctor if anything that I can think of, not a full-set Doctor.
Bah, ninja'd. Point still stands, though. I am what I am.
Thul2008-06-28 19:02:42
QUOTE(Karnagan @ Jun 28 2008, 01:26 PM) 526934
Or, Thul, the Vigilante is playing ball with me- and was promptly stopped by a mafia roleblocker ability, because the mafia saw our intentions telegraphed from some ways away.
It's been established that the mafia get one nightkill, there were two kills last night, and they have a roleblocker down, so I would guess that the nightkiller has been active... and just not playing with you. Here's how I think it's worked so far:
Night 0: Daganev kills Rauros with Camus, Visaeris kills Shiri with Decay, Sacraments user abstains (lack of info, leaning me more towards vigilante)
Night 1: Unknown mafia member uses poison to kill Othero, Sacraments user uses Judgement on Xavius (proving lack of affiliation with mafia,) Xavius's roar goes through on Karnagan nonetheless
Night 2: Unknown mafia member or Sacraments user hacks Furien, Unknown mafia member or Sacraments user hacks Okin
We have two attacks that have been performed by mafia members that have not been explained (they have a poisoner and another physical attacker, apparently.) So far, all scum have displayed exactly one method of killing, so there are a minimum of two mafia remaining.
On the other hand, our non-mafia nightkiller has used two different methods of killing thus far, which makes me wonder if those are limited-use abilities.
Druken2008-06-28 19:05:18
I haven't kept track very well, but have both kills been the same every night? Like... could the vigilante be using some kind of a 'mimic' skill? I'm not sure if Aetolia has that, but it's worth considering.
Silvanus2008-06-28 19:10:20
QUOTE(Thul @ Jun 28 2008, 02:02 PM) 526956
It's been established that the mafia get one nightkill, there were two kills last night, and they have a roleblocker down, so I would guess that the nightkiller has been active... and just not playing with you. Here's how I think it's worked so far:
Night 0: Daganev kills Rauros with Camus, Visaeris kills Shiri with Decay, Sacraments user abstains (lack of info, leaning me more towards vigilante)
Night 1: Unknown mafia member uses poison to kill Othero, Sacraments user uses Judgement on Xavius (proving lack of affiliation with mafia,) Xavius's roar goes through on Karnagan nonetheless
Night 2: Unknown mafia member or Sacraments user hacks Furien, Unknown mafia member or Sacraments user hacks Okin
We have two attacks that have been performed by mafia members that have not been explained (they have a poisoner and another physical attacker, apparently.) So far, all scum have displayed exactly one method of killing, so there are a minimum of two mafia remaining.
On the other hand, our non-mafia nightkiller has used two different methods of killing thus far, which makes me wonder if those are limited-use abilities.
Night 0: Daganev kills Rauros with Camus, Visaeris kills Shiri with Decay, Sacraments user abstains (lack of info, leaning me more towards vigilante)
Night 1: Unknown mafia member uses poison to kill Othero, Sacraments user uses Judgement on Xavius (proving lack of affiliation with mafia,) Xavius's roar goes through on Karnagan nonetheless
Night 2: Unknown mafia member or Sacraments user hacks Furien, Unknown mafia member or Sacraments user hacks Okin
We have two attacks that have been performed by mafia members that have not been explained (they have a poisoner and another physical attacker, apparently.) So far, all scum have displayed exactly one method of killing, so there are a minimum of two mafia remaining.
On the other hand, our non-mafia nightkiller has used two different methods of killing thus far, which makes me wonder if those are limited-use abilities.
While I agree on most points, just one thing was possibly left out.
Is there a cult? We haven't seen anything like that yet.
Thul2008-06-28 19:18:30
QUOTE(Silvanus @ Jun 28 2008, 02:10 PM) 526959
While I agree on most points, just one thing was possibly left out.
Is there a cult? We haven't seen anything like that yet.
Is there a cult? We haven't seen anything like that yet.
If there's a cult, they've had three nights of being completely untouched. We've seen nothing to indicate the presence of one, and I'm just going to assume there isn't one at present.
If one turns up tonight, and I am still alive the following day, I will move to lynch Shamarah.
CULTS.
Druken, I don't think so. The pattern of death types hasn't been consistent with anything of that nature.
Casilu2008-06-28 19:23:46
I'm going to abstain from voting for the moment, while Ryleth and Ayisdra both kinda seem suspicious in their own ways, I think something just feels off. Not sure what. But, if I'm right about the eavesdrop power...
Envoy vote: Yea.
Envoy vote: Yea.
Thul2008-06-28 19:32:11
Shamarah, Daganev's listed under "Alive and Kicking" on the first page still.
Ryleth2008-06-28 19:47:26
QUOTE
On the other hand, our non-mafia nightkiller has used two different methods of killing thus far, which makes me wonder if those are limited-use abilities.
Have we considered that there might not be a vigilante? The inquisition kill could have been a result of a 'bodyguard' type power? Or one of those 'insane' character roles (ones who have a random chance to lynch/protect/roleblock etc.)QUOTE
Syssin get eavesdrop in Aetolia and that one is dead).
Just to clear up Daganev was an Achean Serpent lord. The Aetolians might have a syssin in their ranks
Rika2008-06-28 19:52:57
Silvanus was still defending Visaeris at the end, so Vote: Silvanus.
One serpentlord (Achaea) is already dead, so I'm willing to risk it. Envoy vote: Yea
One serpentlord (Achaea) is already dead, so I'm willing to risk it. Envoy vote: Yea
Rika2008-06-28 19:55:35
Also, you got it wrong, Shamarah. Rika is one of the stronger supporters of a Hartstone Ascendant.
Silvanus2008-06-28 19:55:50
QUOTE(rika @ Jun 28 2008, 02:52 PM) 526972
Silvanus was still defending Visaeris at the end, so Vote: Silvanus.
One serpentlord (Achaea) is already dead, so I'm willing to risk it. Envoy vote: Yea
One serpentlord (Achaea) is already dead, so I'm willing to risk it. Envoy vote: Yea
Defending Visaeris?
How was I defending Visaeris? The only thing that I said I'd defend him about was the Envoy Vote, and that was mostly on the basis of the last game where you accidently got lynched.