Xenthos2008-06-30 19:38:48
QUOTE(Karnagan @ Jun 30 2008, 03:35 PM) 527208
Son of a Balizar syndrome! Thankfully, no one died tonight. No doubt one of the players will have some convincing information gathered during the night, and we can use it to our advantage. Torn between Ayisdra and Ryleth for voting: advantage being, the entire team that voted Druken's death is still alive.
As for the envoy vote: AW HELL NO. Knowing our luck, it's probably a way for people to fly right over the lynch mob. Uh uh, nothing doing.
ENVOY VOTE: NOOOOOOOO
As for the envoy vote: AW HELL NO. Knowing our luck, it's probably a way for people to fly right over the lynch mob. Uh uh, nothing doing.
ENVOY VOTE: NOOOOOOOO
So far, it all seems to be stuff that affects both sides (almost equally). How would it help avoid a lynch vote? If we can all fly, we can just take off after someone trying to escape.
It seems more like it would remove someone else's advantage who already has the ability to fly, no?
Casilu2008-06-30 19:39:12
Now you just sound paranoid. Won't we all find out what it does when we vote it in, anyway?
Xenthos2008-06-30 19:40:54
QUOTE(casilu @ Jun 30 2008, 03:39 PM) 527212
Now you just sound paranoid. Won't we all find out what it does when we vote it in, anyway?
We didn't with the vengeance thing until it was used.
Karnagan2008-06-30 19:42:00
Well, think about it. We've already seen one Tarot Nihilist: he should have the ability to fly, if anyone does, but doesn't. (Class ability for Nihilists.) Not to mention that Vengeance is given to everyone, BUT was way, way more useful for the scum than us: it only works for people who get lynched, as opposed to night killed by mafia. So I'm hardcore against this new ability being granted.
Casilu2008-06-30 19:43:08
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Jun 30 2008, 12:40 PM) 527213
We didn't with the vengeance thing until it was used.
Yes, but this explicitly is everyone getting the ability to fly, so, as you said, it is most likely taking away someone elses advantage. What abilities could we be dealing with from the other realms?
Casilu2008-06-30 19:43:53
QUOTE(Karnagan @ Jun 30 2008, 12:42 PM) 527214
Well, think about it. We've already seen one Tarot Nihilist: he should have the ability to fly, if anyone does, but doesn't. (Class ability for Nihilists.) Not to mention that Vengeance is given to everyone, BUT was way, way more useful for the scum than us: it only works for people who get lynched, as opposed to night killed by mafia. So I'm hardcore against this new ability being granted.
Vegeance was not given to everyone.
Karnagan2008-06-30 19:44:47
Given to everyone with Necromancy, be they scum or townie. The point still stands that it was much more useful for the scum, though.
Xenthos2008-06-30 19:47:43
QUOTE(Karnagan @ Jun 30 2008, 03:42 PM) 527214
Well, think about it. We've already seen one Tarot Nihilist: he should have the ability to fly, if anyone does, but doesn't. (Class ability for Nihilists.) Not to mention that Vengeance is given to everyone, BUT was way, way more useful for the scum than us: it only works for people who get lynched, as opposed to night killed by mafia. So I'm hardcore against this new ability being granted.
If Visaeris had been nightkilled by Daganev (or the judgement thing), it would have been just as useless for him. We also could have just as easily lynched our Nihilist on a bandwagon, which would have allowed him its use. It was more useful for Visaeris in that he would know exactly who not to hit with it (his allies), but... even he didn't use it that well. He didn't take out the claimed Doctor, after all. Eh, I guess I just can't agree with your assertion that these votes are always going to be better for them than for us, and this one in particular really seems like it would *remove* certain abilities (possibly from both sides) by limiting their advantages. If it's like the Necromancy thing, it would probably be from one person on both sides.
Envoy vote: Yea for that reasoning. I really don't see this hurting us more than helping at this point.
Karnagan2008-06-30 19:50:32
Envoy UNVOTE
Good enough. We're in no rush, so I'll let my votes slide until someone gives us new info on possible suspects for lynching.
Good enough. We're in no rush, so I'll let my votes slide until someone gives us new info on possible suspects for lynching.
Ayisdra2008-06-30 20:04:23
Envoy vote: Yea as I don't see it really that bad being that we all get it.
Thul2008-06-30 20:17:59
Karnagan, did you target anyone last night?
I think the non-mafia nightkiller is out of kills at this point. Oh well.
I don't really care too much about the Envoy vote at this point, but that's because I've got other things on my mind. Like hanging Ryleth, for example.
Vote: Ryleth
I think the non-mafia nightkiller is out of kills at this point. Oh well.
I don't really care too much about the Envoy vote at this point, but that's because I've got other things on my mind. Like hanging Ryleth, for example.
Vote: Ryleth
Karnagan2008-06-30 20:19:19
I did- I assumed the reason we got no kills is that the mafia took a shot at the townie target I was defending.
VOTE: Ryleth
VOTE: Ryleth
Rika2008-06-30 20:26:08
Our bandwagoning hasn't failed us yet. Vote: Ryleth
I'm going to go with Envoy Vote: Nay. With 11 alive, 1 SK and 3 mafia dead in a 21 person game, I really think we should take as many chances to finish them off as we can. Flight seems to be some sort of escape skill, so I don't really think we should even give whoever the last mafia/SK/evil non-town a chance to get away with a lynch.
I'm going to go with Envoy Vote: Nay. With 11 alive, 1 SK and 3 mafia dead in a 21 person game, I really think we should take as many chances to finish them off as we can. Flight seems to be some sort of escape skill, so I don't really think we should even give whoever the last mafia/SK/evil non-town a chance to get away with a lynch.
Thul2008-06-30 20:40:48
Let me just go ahead and save some time, here.
Ryleth is a Vampire. His skillsets are Corpis, Mentis, and Sanguis. His abilities are Frenzy which kills a player, and Minion which... raises a dead player to be a minion. Whatever the hell that means. He is a member of the Aetolian mafia. He does not have Vengeance, so everyone can pile on.
I am a Ninjakari Acrobat, with the skillsets Ninjakari, Stealth, and Acrobatics. My ability, Infiltrate, previously only told me what realm someone was from, be that Lusternia or otherwise. Yesterday's Envoy vote gave it an upgrade to full role disclosure. I investigated Xenthos, Furien, and Hazar before the upgrade, and all came up Lusternian.
Due to the nature of Ryleth's kill ability, I will assume that he is responsible for that last cutting to ribbons kill. This means that we have Ryleth and at least one more mafia agent, a poisoner, to take care of.
Point, Rika. No escape. Envoy Vote: Nay
Ryleth is a Vampire. His skillsets are Corpis, Mentis, and Sanguis. His abilities are Frenzy which kills a player, and Minion which... raises a dead player to be a minion. Whatever the hell that means. He is a member of the Aetolian mafia. He does not have Vengeance, so everyone can pile on.
I am a Ninjakari Acrobat, with the skillsets Ninjakari, Stealth, and Acrobatics. My ability, Infiltrate, previously only told me what realm someone was from, be that Lusternia or otherwise. Yesterday's Envoy vote gave it an upgrade to full role disclosure. I investigated Xenthos, Furien, and Hazar before the upgrade, and all came up Lusternian.
Due to the nature of Ryleth's kill ability, I will assume that he is responsible for that last cutting to ribbons kill. This means that we have Ryleth and at least one more mafia agent, a poisoner, to take care of.
Point, Rika. No escape. Envoy Vote: Nay
Karnagan2008-06-30 20:45:19
I bloody knew you were the investigator, and I'm heartily happy my Sacrifice would have gone to protect you. I can just sing, knowing your investigation abilities have been upgraded.
Time to die, Ryleth.
Time to die, Ryleth.
Rika2008-06-30 20:49:09
I see you Ayisdra and Casilu.
Shamarah2008-06-30 20:51:35
"Because I Will Feel Left-Out If The Day Ends Before A Vote Count" Vote Count
Ryleth - 3 (Thul, Karnagan, Rika)
6 to lynch.
Envoy Votes
Yea - 3 (Casilu, Xenthos, Ayisdra)
Nay - 2 (Rika, Thul)
6 to pass/kill motion.
Ryleth - 3 (Thul, Karnagan, Rika)
6 to lynch.
Envoy Votes
Yea - 3 (Casilu, Xenthos, Ayisdra)
Nay - 2 (Rika, Thul)
6 to pass/kill motion.
Xenthos2008-06-30 20:57:15
Hmm. I don't suppose you'd be willing to investigate Karnagan just to be sure... at some point in the near future. I'm still not liking him at *all* here. But I will vote: Ryleth for now. That is a pretty decent list, though, if Ryleth turns up as claimed.
Rika2008-06-30 20:59:15
Come on, let's finish him before Shamarah gets a second vote count.
Karnagan2008-06-30 21:00:36
I get that "Dude, I'm totally innocent" isn't what you would call a rallying cry, Xenthos, but we've detected other, shiftier targets. I'm thinking mainly of Ayisdra here. Given our nearly total success against the mafia, I'm not sure how an argument that I'm the other SK would really work.