Daganev2008-06-23 16:32:23
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Jun 23 2008, 09:07 AM) 524840
... there's just a slight difference between Shiri's style and yours. Shiri is, generally, active about prodding people to talk as well as logically presenting his opinions, while your own style tends to be far more confusing, illogical (to the general observer), and just plain odd. I'm not really sure why you'd be trying to compare yourself to him, as it is pretty obvious you're not at all like him in terms of post style (excepting sheer number of posts...).
The goal is the same.
Keep people talking. Clearly, Shiri and I are two different people with two different ways of doing things, but both Revan and Hazar are objecting to the goal, not to the style.
Both Revan and Hazar are saying that trying to get people to talk is scummy. I am asking what is scummy about that goal.
But whatever, no matter what I do, no matter what I say people find me suspicious. If I'm quite, I get accused of being quite, if I talk I get accused of being confusing. If I'm not confusing I get accused of trying to hide something.
Unknown2008-06-23 16:49:12
Can we get a count Shammypoo?
Ryleth2008-06-23 17:01:26
QUOTE
If I'm not confusing I get accused of trying to hide something.
I don't quite get this one. Are you saying that we all have to be confusing? Because that will get everyone nowhere
Hazar2008-06-23 17:04:44
QUOTE(daganev @ Jun 23 2008, 11:32 AM) 524844
Both Revan and Hazar are saying that trying to get people to talk is scummy.
Putting words in my mouth is scummy.
But more to the point, that's an imperfect analysis. Lurking and not talking is scummy - but scum can talk, too, like in the last game where Visaeris talked a lot and was a mafia goon. Townies try to get you to talk, first, and then look at you funny if you don't talk right.
My vote's still on you. You're running around and making things too complex. Obfuscation bad.
Shamarah2008-06-23 17:05:17
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Vote Count
Thul - 3 (Balizar, Visaeris, Othero)
Daganev - 3 (Hazar, Revan, Druken)
Silvanus - 3 (Ayisdra, Ryleth, Rika)
Revan - 2 (Arix, Daganev)
Xavius - 1 (Druken)
Balizar - 1 (Thul)
Hazar - 1 (Xavius)
No Lynch - 1 (Silvanus)
10 to lynch.
Vote Count
Thul - 3 (Balizar, Visaeris, Othero)
Daganev - 3 (Hazar, Revan, Druken)
Silvanus - 3 (Ayisdra, Ryleth, Rika)
Revan - 2 (Arix, Daganev)
Xavius - 1 (Druken)
Balizar - 1 (Thul)
Hazar - 1 (Xavius)
No Lynch - 1 (Silvanus)
10 to lynch.
Daganev2008-06-23 17:08:59
QUOTE(Ryleth @ Jun 23 2008, 10:01 AM) 524850
I don't quite get this one. Are you saying that we all have to be confusing? Because that will get everyone nowhere
No that isn't what I am saying at all.
What I am saying is that no matter what -I- do, I get called scummy and suspicious.
What is so confusing about what I am saying?
Daganev2008-06-23 17:17:42
QUOTE(Hazar @ Jun 22 2008, 11:16 PM) 524754
And while I'm at it, to enforce that idea - Daganev, stop lurking pointlessly.
Unvote: Xavius
Vote: Daganev
Unvote: Xavius
Vote: Daganev
QUOTE(daganev @ Jun 22 2008, 11:29 PM) 524757
Sorry, had a big weekend again. I will genearlly be inactive on weekends.
Just a few commets at this time.
1. First person on the list died, what a shocker...
2. Xavius and Silvanus both look suspicious to me, but I'll put that on hold for now.
vote: Revan
He is always quite in these games, and the inactivity doesn't help us.
Just a few commets at this time.
1. First person on the list died, what a shocker...
2. Xavius and Silvanus both look suspicious to me, but I'll put that on hold for now.
vote: Revan
He is always quite in these games, and the inactivity doesn't help us.
QUOTE(Hazar @ Jun 23 2008, 12:25 AM) 524771
My vote's staying on Daganev as I go off to bed because I really, really don't like 'cleanse the town of useless players' logic. It stinks. STINKS OF SCUM.
QUOTE(daganev @ Jun 23 2008, 08:49 AM) 524838
Please explain.
In the past few games I played, having an inactive day was seen as a bad thing, and have an active and talkative day was seen as a good thing.
Why do you feel that it is scummy?
In the past few games I played, having an inactive day was seen as a bad thing, and have an active and talkative day was seen as a good thing.
Why do you feel that it is scummy?
QUOTE(Xenthos @ Jun 23 2008, 09:07 AM) 524840
... there's just a slight difference between Shiri's style and yours. Shiri is, generally, active about prodding people to talk as well as logically presenting his opinions, while your own style tends to be far more confusing, illogical (to the general observer), and just plain odd. I'm not really sure why you'd be trying to compare yourself to him, as it is pretty obvious you're not at all like him in terms of post style (excepting sheer number of posts...).
QUOTE(daganev @ Jun 23 2008, 09:32 AM) 524844
The goal is the same.
Keep people talking. Clearly, Shiri and I are two different people with two different ways of doing things, but both Revan and Hazar are objecting to the goal, not to the style.
Both Revan and Hazar are saying that trying to get people to talk is scummy. I am asking what is scummy about that goal.
But whatever, no matter what I do, no matter what I say people find me suspicious. If I'm quite, I get accused of being quite, if I talk I get accused of being confusing. If I'm not confusing I get accused of trying to hide something.
Keep people talking. Clearly, Shiri and I are two different people with two different ways of doing things, but both Revan and Hazar are objecting to the goal, not to the style.
Both Revan and Hazar are saying that trying to get people to talk is scummy. I am asking what is scummy about that goal.
But whatever, no matter what I do, no matter what I say people find me suspicious. If I'm quite, I get accused of being quite, if I talk I get accused of being confusing. If I'm not confusing I get accused of trying to hide something.
QUOTE(Hazar @ Jun 23 2008, 10:04 AM) 524851
Putting words in my mouth is scummy.
But more to the point, that's an imperfect analysis. Lurking and not talking is scummy - but scum can talk, too, like in the last game where Visaeris talked a lot and was a mafia goon. Townies try to get you to talk, first, and then look at you funny if you don't talk right.
My vote's still on you. You're running around and making things too complex. Obfuscation bad.
But more to the point, that's an imperfect analysis. Lurking and not talking is scummy - but scum can talk, too, like in the last game where Visaeris talked a lot and was a mafia goon. Townies try to get you to talk, first, and then look at you funny if you don't talk right.
My vote's still on you. You're running around and making things too complex. Obfuscation bad.
I'll let people decide who is putting words into who's mouth.
I hope quoting a conversation isn't too confusing and complex for you.
Unknown2008-06-23 17:26:26
QUOTE(daganev @ Jun 23 2008, 01:17 PM) 524857
I'll let people decide who is putting words into who's mouth.
I hope quoting a conversation isn't too confusing and complex for you.
I hope quoting a conversation isn't too confusing and complex for you.
Wait, when did Hazar say that trying to get people to talk is scummy? He said he thought you were lurking and that he didn't like the idea of removing "useless" players.
Vote:Daganev Your looking to attack Hazar and your argument is not even right. You did put words in his mouth and he never did anything like that to you.
Daganev2008-06-23 17:33:08
How in the world do you turn:
"He is always quite in these games, and the inactivity doesn't help us."
into:
"'cleanse the town of useless players' logic."
I'm not attacking Hazar, I am defending myself.
Hazar is attacking me, for doing exactly what he did!
He voted for me so I would talk, I voted for Revan so he would talk.
What the hell is so complicated about this?
"He is always quite in these games, and the inactivity doesn't help us."
into:
"'cleanse the town of useless players' logic."
I'm not attacking Hazar, I am defending myself.
Hazar is attacking me, for doing exactly what he did!
He voted for me so I would talk, I voted for Revan so he would talk.
What the hell is so complicated about this?
Daganev2008-06-23 17:35:37
Next time I'm gone for the day, I'll be sure to be quite and not comment on the past pages of posts. Apparently my opinion on the game is not wanted and is just too complicated.
I'll just keep quite until asked to speak I guess. (you don't have to vote for me to ask me to speak, you can just ask)
I'll just keep quite until asked to speak I guess. (you don't have to vote for me to ask me to speak, you can just ask)
Hazar2008-06-23 17:35:38
If you'd said 'I'm voting for Revan because I want him to talk', that'd be one thing. But you framed it as 'he's a liability to the town, so we should get rid of him'. And I said I didn't like that idea.
Your position - or, rather, your justification for it - is changing too much.
Your position - or, rather, your justification for it - is changing too much.
Ryleth2008-06-23 17:47:05
I'm going to have to agree with Hazar here. My comment was slightly facetious, (which might not have been that evident). The way you went on turbo-defensive, drawing on different justifications and then finally throwing a slight hissy-fit:
All leads me to Unvote: Silvanus
Vote: Daganev
QUOTE
Apparently my opinion on the game is not wanted and is just too complicated.
All leads me to Unvote: Silvanus
Vote: Daganev
Unknown2008-06-23 17:57:44
QUOTE(Shamarah @ Jun 23 2008, 01:05 PM) 524852
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Vote Count
Thul - 3 (Balizar, Visaeris, Othero)
Daganev - 3 (Hazar, Revan, Druken)
Silvanus - 3 (Ayisdra, Ryleth, Rika)
Revan - 2 (Arix, Daganev)
Xavius - 1 (Druken)
Balizar - 1 (Thul)
Okin - 1 (Othero)
Hazar - 1 (Xavius)
No Lynch - 1 (Silvanus)
10 to lynch.
Vote Count
Thul - 3 (Balizar, Visaeris, Othero)
Daganev - 3 (Hazar, Revan, Druken)
Silvanus - 3 (Ayisdra, Ryleth, Rika)
Revan - 2 (Arix, Daganev)
Xavius - 1 (Druken)
Balizar - 1 (Thul)
Okin - 1 (Othero)
Hazar - 1 (Xavius)
No Lynch - 1 (Silvanus)
10 to lynch.
I'm not playing, but...
... why does Othero get two votes?
Shamarah2008-06-23 17:58:50
Oops, my bad.
Ayisdra2008-06-23 18:01:54
While your vote is an important weapon, as many have said it should be used to get those who the town think are scum to claim in a way that makes you think they are town (hopefully the claim is true and you can move on to getting the real scum). Anything can help the town even if it is something small
Unvote: Silvanus, Vote: Daganev
Unvote: Silvanus, Vote: Daganev
Druken2008-06-23 19:07:44
How did -I- get two votes? 
C'mon, Sham!
C'mon, Sham!Thul2008-06-23 19:10:07
Dag's sitting at six by my calculations, and... I'm leaning towards putting my vote on him too. I'll hold off for the moment, though.
In the meantime... does Alianna have a different screen name, am I blind, or has she not made a single post this game? I'm pretty sure it's one of the first two.
But someone clue me in anyway.
In the meantime... does Alianna have a different screen name, am I blind, or has she not made a single post this game? I'm pretty sure it's one of the first two.
But someone clue me in anyway.Ryleth2008-06-23 19:19:37
Alianna = Furien I think
Silvanus2008-06-23 19:26:53
Yeah, Alianna is Furien.
Unknown2008-06-23 19:28:11
Hazar you are being way over the top. Daganev you too. Its the first day.
Chill my brothas.
Chill my brothas.
