Page 9 Vote Count

Daganev - 6 (Hazar, Revan, Druken, Othero, Ryleth, Ayisdra, Arix)
Silvanus - 4 (Daganev, Visaeris, Xavius, Casilu)
Thul - 1 (Balizar)
Balizar - 1 (Thul)
No Lynch - 1 (Silvanus)

10 to lynch.

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Vote: Silvanus

Going back to the original vote I had...for same reasons as last time.

I dont buy Daganev's roleclaim.

Well that's good I guess since you never actually voted for him.

Heyo

In any case, why not? I think it's a decent enough claim, and it's a bit of a baseline. I could see how it would factor into Sham's greater design.

I also don't think Daganev is smart enough to come up with a clever claim that seems semi-feasible.

I kind of didn't either bu Daganev's roleclaim, just look at how much everybody was ninja'd back to me. I still don't understand why voting no lynch is a big deal.

Visaeris, look at every mafia game I've played in, I've voted no lynch on the first day (I wasn't scum in any of them). And I voted out of no lynch and eventually always changed my vote, I've used it as a place holder so you can say I'm not voting when I'm just not random voting.

He lied out his ass in my game and got away with it.

Trust me, I know what it looks like when he's lying and something just doesn't look right with that claim.

Unvote: Thul
Vote: Daganev

You just had to make that claim and now i have to dig.

Voting no lynch gives the scum one extra day of living. Thus when you vote no lynch (even on day 1) you are helpping the scum by not lynching them.

The roleclaim has enough minor details, meshes with the known information well enough, and explains enough of Daganev's actions and behaviors that I'm buying it.

He's likely not waking up tomorrow, mind you, but that's kinda how it works. If you've got outside information that contradicts, now would be a good time to bring that up.

In the meantime:

Unvote: B_a_L_i
Vote: Revan

If Revan and Silvanus are our two choices for the train, I'll choose to keep the one who's attempting to explain her(?) logic over the one who's powerlurking.

That's the one I did in New American World Order. The other mafia game I didn't vote no lynch cause somebody was voting me.


See above


First of all, the scum are going to live today unless by chance you random lynch them correctly.

By no lyncing, tomorrow you wake up only two townies can be dead. If you lynch somebody, up to three townies can be dead.

The scum are going to kill tonight, unless Roleblock (night role), Investigation reveals them (night role they'll get kill anyways but lynched tomorrow), or Guardian (night role, which you don't find out any information).

Why you are goading people on day one is to glean information from them to claim them. Let's say a doctor died night zero or die tomorrow, then Daganev was forced into a roleclaim saying he was backup doctor. Do you see what I'm getting at?

Pushing for information is all well and good but sometimes you cna push the wrong people and it reveals too much. By voting no lynch (which nobody but me is doing, and as I said I used it as a placeholder), when you wake up up to two townies can be dead. By lynching somebody, up to three townies can be dead.

Am I missing something? There's (19 players? alive), we can have 17 tomorrow or 16 tomorrow. What are the chances we pick a scum of the 19 there is?

I think you're in a little over your head to be playing grand inquisitor here.

Probably 1 in 4, or 1 in 5? Maybe 1 in 6 if sham's being really mean to scum.

If you look at the assumption that a large chunk of the playerbase is already guaranteed dead, we need to take any opportunities we get to take someone out. And a 1 in 5 isn't half bad.

Hmm, Silvanus makes good points for a large game. I imagine the "don't vote no lynch" rule really applies most to games with 10 - 12 people in them, where the "majority" can quickly shift.

However I'm going to wait for Vis's research to see if this really is something that Silvanus does.

Also Silvanus, are you trying to suggest that we should actually vote a no lynch, or are you saying that its just a place holder and we should all vote for someone?

I was both convinced that your argument was sound and confused that you don't want us to follow it.

There is no research. He self-quoted the post.

Also, it's not random. Information is generally the one thing that's more valuable to the town than to the scum--scum start with all the information they need. Someone's story is going to break down. Someone's slightly unconvincing roleclaim is going to get investigated. It all works out in the end. Winning doesn't mean protecting your cops and doctors. Winning means finding scum, and finding scum means gathering information and looking for seams and hints. It's fine to lose a power role here and there as long as they can benefit the town on the way out.

I'm not quite sure what I recommend, aside from Revan, Daganev and myself, nobody else is anywhere near suspicious according to the vote count. Visaeris makes a good point that we should take all the chances can get, but we really don't know how Shamarah set the game up (a Xenthos? Wtf!). Besides, I don't think No Lynch will get to 10 votes, I was just using it as a placeholder myself.

Unvote: Daganev

When properly pushed, we got decency. I'm content, even if I think he's a little easily roused.

However, y'know who's bothering me now? Bali.










When the shaggin' baggin' lynchin' train is in full swing, Bali's happy to try to calm us down and look townish, but when it starts losing momentum and turning around, he wants to get behind and push.

Me no likey.

Vote: B_a_l_i

Based on our first two kills, there's probably going to be generic people (Shiri's Blademaster Tracker) with skills and Envoy-esque people (Xenthos) with skills that can influence the envoy choices. The envoy choices in turn would influence the generic people (and maybe the envoys in general, unsure).

Vote: Revan

His over-aggressive "get over yourself" defense is terrible, I wouldn't trust him a single bit (agreeing with the "he sucks at lying" that someone mentioned earlier). Also, I vaguely remember Revan being modkilled last game, and now there's already threats for modkills here.

Looking over Alianna's argument, it makes sense - FoS Revan - but I'm really more bothered by Bali.

Well now I just don't know who to pick.