I had a crazy idea that lots of people are going to hate. How about when someone chants, "Nothing Matters but Glomdoring" then everyone in Glomdoring who would chant back GBTG, should just get up and do something progressive or beneficial for Glomdoring instead.

No more saluting Vis, it goes to his head.

Because no one's doing that now, obviously. Perhaps all of the guild and commune leaders (who, as we all know, have contributed nothing whatsoever of worth to commune growth or prosperity) should stop engaging in such time-consuming activities as typing a few words on CT and finally contribute to the benefit of the beleaguered plebes. :xinemus:

Donno, I'd settle for at least one guild/commune leader leading during influencing, in lieu of contributing to us poor plebes

Woah woah. I wasn't targetting leaders by any means. I know how much leaders usually put into their duties. Most of the hardest and most time-consuming responsibilities are the ones that go unseen and unappreciated.

Bhiele: I suppose I just honestly don't understand why you're so upset, IC and OOC. I know you were gone for quite a while, but the commune's really shaping up nicely in my opinion, and you sound very embittered about such a small thing. Maybe if you could elaborate a bit, it'd be easier for me to see where you're coming from, but, as I said- I don't see NMBG/GBTG as a major issue, and I certainly don't think it's preventing people from working or accomplishing anything.

Vis: Honestly, I was so busy running around the mountains and dealing with Murmurs/Seren demigods stalking the spirits I didn't really have time to notice who was staying out of it, so you may have a valid point, but I can't be certain.

I don't mean to sound embittered, I really don't. I think my thoughts do not come across well in text, as they appear snarkier than they are meant to be. The reason I am "upset" if you can call it that, is I remember Glomdoring completely differently. You may think it is better now, and I'm not saying I think it is worse...it's just different. I remember Shayle whipping everyone's butt who stood around at the tree doing nothing. I remember others leading big hunts and doing other fellowship/community things for Glomdoring. I was actually -scared- not to be busy in some process necessary for Glomdoring because of how much I respected characters like Valerian, Nirrti and Shayle. I know Valerian went a little nuts and lots of things were bad, but it was the pre-bad Valerian and people like Shayle who had views I could cling to about Glory in Glomdoring.

I am sure that will be taken wrong too, but please don't. I have nothing but respect for the elders and leaders we have currently. I have not been back long enough to find anything to complain about other than seeing newbies spam the CT with NMBT, when they don't know what it means and it has turned into just a phrase repeated. Damn, I need to think of ways to express myself better without coming off like some kind of Glom Troll. I'm not, I'm really not.

Edited to add ~~ The reason I made the comments I did on CT that night in particular, was because I heard Vis call about ten times for people to at least help him scout for spirits. He begged. Hardly anyone responded. That is what originally set me into this whole mess.

I don't think you're a troll, if that makes you feel any better, and I can't really say that the commune is better or worse (in terms of atmosphere) than when I first joined, or immediately prior to that. You're right, though, it is very different, and seems to be more in line with what the Admins expect. That being said, there's a lot you can do, as an individual, to try to get people involved and active, and the Harbinger leadership is great for taking ideas and running with them.

As far as people not helping, I can only assume it's because they were already busy with spirits/influencing/debating, or because the event itself wore them down. (In retrospect, I wish I hadn't forgotten the skills I did to get Mockery and Admiration. )

Any time that Bhiele has asked Druken for a clarification regarding the 'now' Glomdoring as opposed to the 'then' Glomdoring, she has responded to his explanations very kindly and with an obvious desire to acclimate herself. She's extraordinarily patient with Druken's vague responses - he sometimes doesn't understand why we do things so differently, either - and she's never once bashed the new "regime."

I don't necessarily know what others have noticed from her, but I have absolutely no qualms with Bhiele's curiosity. It's good that she's asking us how to approach situations in Glomdoring now that it has changed instead of jumping ship the way so many other newly awakened players have.

Or climbing onto the ship and grabbing for the helm, am i right?

I'm glad she's sticking around, but my admittedly limited interactions with her haven't included any curiosity about how to approach situations or how things are done now. I'm not biased toward her one way or the other, simply curious why she'd reacted so strongly. She's explained it, and I don't have any further issues.

I appreciate, Bhiele, yes. It's easy to say that everyone should be busy all the time, but we all know that things are easier to say than do. I try and do my part, but it's exhausting coercing people to do things while trying to stay on top of what you need to be doing yourself.

Druken has been wonderful in answering and not answering my questions. I have not, as he said, ever bashed the new regime and I wouldn't. Bhiele explained to Druken about how she felt odd about hearing how the old cadre left, but it wasn't anything to get upset over. I am happy things are changing, if they weren't then that would mean things would have remained stagnant.



I think one reason I reacted strongly is because I had very specific ideas about Glomdoring and Bhiele, and her place in the commune and the Harbingers. In a world where things should be familiar and aren't, I guess I got vocal IC and OOC. I have only really interacted with Amarysse once, and was very impressed. The little celebration to me over her promotion was some of the most fun I've had since coming back. Hopefully through more IC interaction you'll see Bhiele is enthusiastic, dramatic and often laughs too much. This does not make her snuggly though, I swear. One of the reasons I've only approached Druken, Arel and a few others with my curiosity is because I naturally don't trust anyone else yet. I don't want to ask someone I don't know what happened to make my mentor lose his mind and run off to New Celeste.




I appreciate you too! You're going to help me learn to fight!

In my opinion, a greater tolerance for pot-stirring is what Glomdoring has needed the most. I'm going to provide an analogy you all should really pay attention to, since it's a story about the playstyle of the player who eventually became the current head of IRE, and therefore anyone who takes this game seriously should be paying strict attention.

Back when there was only Achaea, the God of Evil used to kill his followers on a regular basis. If you screwed up, you died, because it's not evil if you don't kill incompetant followers. Any 8 year old can tell you this.

The thing is, later on behind the scenes, when no one was looking, Sartan would resurrect us and give us a divine favor after killing us. While following his RP to its IC conclusion, he also acknowledged and worked with the OOC ramifications of it. No one would have followed him, even if they wanted to be evil, if they were getting killed by him all the time. But by bringing us back and giving us a buff that would make us stronger (so we could pk better) and that would also give us back most of the lost experience, it was completely acceptable for him to kill us.

This really should apply to Glomdoring's attitude if people want it to be successful. Visaeris should be lynched for questioning the "GBTG", but considering how this is his first time doing so and he clearly means it as an action to bring about positive change, the lynching should be completely IC and not set him back OOCly. Otherwise you are just discouraging positive free thinking, and Glom is not successful enough to be canning all free thought OOCly even if that is part of it's RP and IC behavior. Since doing that isn't really fun for the players as well as being counter productive to the goal of winning the various aspects of the game. I will show up to his flogging or whatever, but we don't need people trying to get him kicked out of the commune etc. if that is on anyone's mind.

I know you're being petty, but I appreciate your willingness to step forward and lead things yourself. I think it is a mark of good leaders that they step back during things they have no clue how to lead (like in village revolts) and let someone with more experience and aptitude for leading take the wheel.

As to pot-stirring, I think that Glom is very receptive to it from an OOC viewpoint so that when you say controversial things you're not slammed with disfavours or kicked out, unless you're rude about it. Even if you are rude about it, the punishment is generally not that severe since Glomdoring leadership has developed a stigma about actually discipling people since there always seems to be a group of random people on the forums ready to jump on the "Glomdoring is still oppressive" bandwagon.