anyone else visit the fulcrux to find the book? Just thought this was interesting and wondered if anyone else noticed it. Granted in RL its actually 'Ubermensch' the concept presented by Nietzsche, so there is a one letter difference.

it is also worth mentioning that when Hitler went into prison pre-chancellorship he had one book with him, Nietzsche's Ubermensch and came out with Meine Kompf. Roark=Hitler/Nazi? jk

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Words fail.

But yes, Roark's stuff is a blend of Nietzsche and Objectivism.

Roark's tester character is named Galt

I found the it to be an enjoyable read (I think I first read it about 2-3 years ago?), I remember Richter and I debating some of the points rather heavily.

Good stuff.

QFT

Run, quickly.

Its really more of a rip of Ayn Rand, who herself built her ideas off of Nietzsche.

This is old news.

No, Roark = zombie Ayn Rand in drag.

I mean, srsly. Isn't it obvious?

Nietzsche himself deplored the Nazis and opposed them at all opportunities. His sister, however, was married to a Nazi, and tried often to convince Nietzsche to lend his abilities at writing and philosophy to the cause. As a result, they barely spoke during the latter part of his life. When Nietzsche fell into a comatose state, his sister sold tickets for people to see him comatose, to earn money for the Nazis. What a loving sister!

She also took a collection of his notes he chose not to publish, went through it with scissors (literally -- pages had huge gaps cut out of them), and then got it published under his name, with the title The Will To Power. He never recovered from his comatose state, and most of what she expurgated to try to get his works in line with her husband's Nazi inclinations is gone forever. But from Nietzsche's letters, it's very, very clear that he never approved of the linking of his writings or thoughts to the Nazi regime, which he had written about very scathingly on many occasions.

I think the bit about Hitler having Nietzsche's book (it's usually said to be Also Sprach Zarathustra he had) is apocryphal. But even if he did, it doesn't change what Nietzsche thought of the people who were misreading his books. It's shame so much of his thought is still, almost a century later, clouded under this stuff.

You know, it really doesn't matter if Nietzsche approved of the Nazi government or not. The point of fact is that the Nazis liked Nietzsche.

I.e. if someone mentions that Hitler had Nietzche's book in prison, or whatever, the point they are making is that the Nazis like Nietzsche, not that Nietztche liked the Nazis. Nietzche could have written 200 years before the Nazis ever came to power, and people would still be making that point (like with Operas the Nazis liked)

If we toss aside everything the Nazis liked, we're screwed. I like good tanks in my army and a powerful air force, for one.

You like the panzer and the luftenhouse or whatever they used, in your army?

Lots of people toss away everything the Nazi's liked. and they aren't screwed.

It really doesn't matter if you agree with the argument/point or not. You should still recognize the inference that the person / people are making.

To bring it back on topic. sortof..
The point is, you didn't see the Nazis quoting John Locke or Adam Smith or Thomas Paine


For those who don't already know this, I'm a big Ayn Rand and Nietzche fan. (just incase you are getting confused about my point)

The Nazis were actually big fans of Adam Smith and John Locke both. Locke's idea of the constructed society appealed to them, and they were big on economics, even if they took them in a different direction.

Evidence?

A simple website making that point would suffice.

1. I was not aware of that.
2. I don't believe you.

Most references to Nazis and Philosophy that I found pretty much agreed with this site:

http://www.shoaheducation.com/blut.html

The only name Hitler mentions in any of his books or diary notes is the Great Clausewitzen.

I was a bit! You expressed yourself in slightly baby+bathwater terms, and I was about to lead an impassioned defence of Wagner and Bavarian beer.



Hayek makes that point quite forcefully in the Road to Serfdom.

Prisch is a total sheep and completely docile but, she is pretty driven, determined, and has a lot of goals which she constantly strives for.

I am confused here.

The reviews did not seem to indicate that Hayek suggests that Adam Smith or John Locke were liked by Nazi Germany.

It seemed to suggest that Adam Smith's ideas of economy were -not liked- by Nazi Germany or 1940s Britain.

Roark=Hitler/Nazi?

^Quickest Godwin's Law evar.