Ok so you are saying that after working for years, the Mes'ard and Talnara finally manage to scrape together the honour to get a council seat. Unfortunately this upstart Starfall house just got great house and with not even a fraction of that work they're almost at the same level because... we have to be fair

Yes, I like your logic

Sure, let's run with that. Now back to the actual discussion with everyone else.

Banner Houses

*Can ally themselves with a Great House (Gives honour to the great house and Banner house)
(c/p great house loses and gains for honour but where the great house can choose they are restricted to the choices of their great house)
*share an aether with their great house
*Should they rise to great house status both they and the great house will gain honour in proportion to what they've received on their own (harder working banner houses will be paid off/worth more in the long run)
*If a banner house becomes dishonourable they will cost their great house honour rather than giving it
*Any effects that bless the great house will also affect the banner houses to a lesser degree.
*Some bonuses related to the great house having high honour

Effectively banner houses are normal families, they start with 0 honour as does everyone. but by allying they get the chance to earn honour, it should be harder to gain and lose than a great house however as honour would be shared between the two (the actions of the banner house, reflecting positively/negatively on the great house)

Actually, even though d'Murani would likely be the most prestigious house, it could easily go to Talnaras because d'Murani is divided between Mag and Glom, and they can only ever get credit for half of the family.

But yes, this sucks horribly. At least let the honour reset since all of the honour we lost from the killing thing that was changed.

Er, and yes, I agree with banner houses. Because, frankly, there will not be any other Great Houses for a really really really long time, if ever, and smaller houses should be able to participate. Apparently the next biggest Glom/Mag family is Feyranti, with 19, and then d'Illici, with 18, and frankly, they will not reach GH for a very very long time, if ever.

Starfalls have about two-and-a-half active members though.

Aww... you can try for banner house if you're nice to Linwes great-grandpa... and the admin implement them

@Starfalls: Come2Talnara

Quality over quantity! Besides, we have all the rainbows.

We get rainbow cookies from Maylea.

Edit: Also throttles you for "quality over quantity" if you were referring to us. *peer*

Psh. "Quality" isn't a boolean!

Firstly, Talnara is qual.
Secondly, give me your daughter. I want Elyonne.

For some reason, this keeps popping into my head when people talk about banner houses these days.

READLOG CLINTON
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You have gained 1 honor from members of your bannerhouse, Gore, in positions of power!
...

I'd like to point out why Talnara has seven elected seats, d'Murani has nine:

Emar
Ashai
Kaervas
Daedalion
Linaeve
Sthai
Shikha
Melville
Morvior

Also, our honor has never broken 160 (it takes 4500 to appoint a council member) and:

2008/06/22 13:56:35 - Shame lowers the eyes of the House: Melville killed
Shaddus, who is not a city, guild, or order enemy.
2008/06/22 19:40:05 - The House's eyes are raised as its honour improves:
Offering at the shrines of the family's patron.
2008/06/22 20:44:51 - The House's eyes are raised as its honour improves:
Village influencing.

You don't lose much for killing, but we gained honor more often then killed and still wound up losing some.

So, instead of reading the past few pages, Family Honor is broken.

Edit: The reason why I bring up the village influencing is because we killed a whole lot of people during the village and didn't lose honor (due to it's updated status). Honestly, we don't lose honor that often from slaying.

You'll have to forgive me if this has been brought up already, but the d'Murani house does not get any prestige from Ashai, Kaervas, Daedalion and myself as we are not in elected Magnagoran seats. I'm not sure why this is, though. Surely it shouldn't matter where you have the influence, so long as it is influence?

Its sort of a censor, like how hypothetically there could be family in a conflicting org. If that GH is aligned with a conflicting city, how does it make sense for them to get honour for seats in a warring org. If you get what I mean?

It's a natural decay of 3 honour per month, not 1. I think that is what's skewing your calculations of elected seat gain. The honour decay and elected seat gains are not logged to the family log, since they are consistent every month. I don't think it would be very helpful for them to be logged, but maybe others disagree?



Shrine offerings are collectively recorded from all family members rather than individually.

Also, the PK honour loss has been (for a while now) limited to cases where the family member is the aggressor (according to the Avenger). The simple rule of thumb is: if you won't gain suspect status, you won't lose family honour.

It probably would be nice if the passive honour decay/gain did show up in logs, just so it's easier to keep track of when you gain and lose it passively along with the active.

Isn't 3 a daya little steep? d'Murani hold several elected seats and were gaining honours through villages and offering...but it never went up as far as I can recall.

what of the ranked duels are they fixed now?

duelled a Mes'ard and gained :censor: all, then we lost great house

How much dishonor is outcasting someone worth?