Aesthetics

by Lendren

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Celina2008-07-02 20:40:33
QUOTE(krin1 @ Jul 2 2008, 03:32 PM) 527827
Lendren you have to think of it like this. You walk into the room use an instant skill to put somone in a no exit monod desmene room. Now because my diceroll wasn't favorable im basicly free jump, or completly stuck and can't get you. You may not use it like that but lol as you can see not everyone has your high moral fiber. I think getting rid of that and the anti stun skill. I like an anti choke skill I think it has real merit. But I think the harbingers need their own skill in place of that maybe a cure inquisition/combo, and omen.


Focus spirit
Unknown2008-07-02 20:43:46
QUOTE(Celina @ Jul 2 2008, 08:40 PM) 527834
Focus spirit


Thank you for telling me something I already knew
Xenthos2008-07-02 20:45:34
QUOTE(Lendren @ Jul 2 2008, 04:40 PM) 527833
The original decay time is the same as it is when you make a painting now. The decay is meant to be another way to give the skills a cost to use (the cost of tints and palettes), as well as to limit how many times you can use them in a row in the same fight -- you can't really stop and upkeep a painting in the middle of a combat -- so it's a resource the way charges on an enchantment are a resource (well, more than that because you can recharge a ring instantly in mid-fight with no balance loss, but upkeep has a long balance loss, I think).

So... 140 months or so? That's 23 uses, keeping in mind that when you use it is generally not going to be when you are fighting (summons generally occur when the groups are in different rooms from one another) so it doesn't matter what the upkeep time is. You're not going to summon someone 23 times while fighting them. It's basically looking like a permanent fast summon once the first painting is made, since the painting should never actually decay.

Eh, at this point I have to agree that it should be limited a bit more. Maybe give each painting 5-10 summon attempts, after which it crumbles no matter how much time's left on it, or remove the ability to upkeep hallmarked paintings and decrease the base decay time on them.
Prisch2008-07-16 14:56:18
I dispute the skill Homunculus.
If it were ever to exist it should belong to trans alchemists.

Also the current name is a bit too impressionable in that any character basing their RP around 'beauty', etc. would be guilt tripped into going bard just so they could have the skill. Which I believe should not be a requirement for the skill considering anyone can be an artist.
Fain2008-07-16 16:50:37
Wow. Great work.
Amarysse2008-07-16 16:57:47
QUOTE(Prisch @ Jul 16 2008, 09:56 AM) 533706
I dispute the skill Homunculus.
If it were ever to exist it should belong to trans alchemists.

Also the current name is a bit too impressionable in that any character basing their RP around 'beauty', etc. would be guilt tripped into going bard just so they could have the skill. Which I believe should not be a requirement for the skill considering anyone can be an artist.


There's already "Arts" which is available to anyone. I don't think anyone basing their RP or character concept around the idea of beauty would feel obligated to become a bard just for this particular skillset.

Also, for "Script": Why not SCRUB WALLS or something similar? I believe that's how graffiti is removed in other IRE games.
Lendren2008-07-16 17:08:54
Does that require any commodities or tools or skills or anything? (I didn't know there was graffiti in the other games...)
Shiri2008-07-17 01:01:40
It might require a bucket of water. Jesters in Achaea had it, they would write stupid things on the walls of delos all the time.
Amarysse2008-07-17 01:22:52
QUOTE(Shiri @ Jul 16 2008, 08:01 PM) 534064
It might require a bucket of water. Jesters in Achaea had it, they would write stupid things on the walls of delos all the time.


Right, just the bucket of water. You didn't need any sort of skill at all, as far as I remember.
Prisch2008-07-17 09:09:03
QUOTE(Amarysse @ Jul 16 2008, 11:57 AM) 533759
There's already "Arts" which is available to anyone. I don't think anyone basing their RP or character concept around the idea of beauty would feel obligated to become a bard just for this particular skillset.

Also, for "Script": Why not SCRUB WALLS or something similar? I believe that's how graffiti is removed in other IRE games.



I find the lines are very blurred with bards in Lusternia.
They've become more than anything, just artists instead of singers or musicians.
Yes, bards are musicians. Yes, music is an art form.

But do I think they need their own skillset dedicated to showing PAINTINGS? Not really.
Nice skillset though.
Furien2008-07-17 09:33:24
Oh, whoa, I can't believe I missed this thread. Glad someone posted in it.

Very great work, Lendren. It gives Bards that artistic flavour that didn't quite make it in Music (See: ..well, the violence of it all)
Xiel2008-07-17 09:43:04
You don't think my blowing people's heads up is beautiful? losewings.gif
Unknown2008-07-17 09:43:46
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Excellent. Now those Spiritsingers who are more 'look at me' than 'listen to me' have a chance for fame.
Amarysse2008-07-17 16:22:24
QUOTE(Prisch @ Jul 17 2008, 04:09 AM) 534481
I find the lines are very blurred with bards in Lusternia.
They've become more than anything, just artists instead of singers or musicians.
Yes, bards are musicians. Yes, music is an art form.

But do I think they need their own skillset dedicated to showing PAINTINGS? Not really.
Nice skillset though.


But they aren't just singers and musicians. They're performers and artists, as well. (Would you consider Illusions, or Tarot, to be musical, for example?)

Music is their stock and trade, sure, but the RP purpose of bards (at least, in my opinion) is to provide a boost to the morale and cultural aspects of their city/commune. (Yes, other classes can do this, but it seems to me that bards were designed for it.) If music was all they had, I honestly doubt I would have bothered ever making one.
Prisch2008-07-17 18:37:33
QUOTE(Amarysse @ Jul 17 2008, 11:22 AM) 534551
But they aren't just singers and musicians. They're performers and artists, as well. (Would you consider Illusions, or Tarot, to be musical, for example?)

Music is their stock and trade, sure, but the RP purpose of bards (at least, in my opinion) is to provide a boost to the morale and cultural aspects of their city/commune. (Yes, other classes can do this, but it seems to me that bards were designed for it.) If music was all they had, I honestly doubt I would have bothered ever making one.




Bards to me, seem very jester-like and fortunetelleresque, which falls in line with the Tarot skillset oh so nicely.
I guess it really depends on your perception of the bard archtype.

I think illusions give bards that magical edge they need in Lusternia.(no offense to any bards who have a different tertiary). Also, music in Lusternia could be considered a form of magic anyways.

Unknown2008-07-17 22:24:15
My only issue with this is it's chock full of more Fae-Leaf counters. Bards-as-is can be easily countered by a Faeling Herbalist.

Otherwise, it is AWSOME. I'd seriously consider hitting Bard if this made it into the game(Kial's artsy if you didn't notice. Likes designing things.) biggrin.gif
Aison2008-07-17 22:36:47
QUOTE(Amarysse @ Jul 17 2008, 09:22 AM) 534551
But they aren't just singers and musicians. They're performers and artists, as well. (Would you consider Illusions, or Tarot, to be musical, for example?)

Music is their stock and trade, sure, but the RP purpose of bards (at least, in my opinion) is to provide a boost to the morale and cultural aspects of their city/commune. (Yes, other classes can do this, but it seems to me that bards were designed for it.) If music was all they had, I honestly doubt I would have bothered ever making one.


Tell that to the Cantors. dry.gif
Unknown2008-07-18 07:19:35
QUOTE(Aison @ Jul 18 2008, 06:36 AM) 534678
Tell that to the Cantors. dry.gif


Aren't you the ones that bring gloom and doom to Celest? tongue.gif
Prisch2008-07-22 15:40:43
It is a fabulous idea,
but I would sooner call it Reflections, and tack it onto an Aquamancer.

Why? Simply because the skill synchronizes with the class better.

One can argue, "Well bards are not just musicians, they're artists and performers, etc. etc."

Well I can argue that a paladin is not just a paladin, he is a knight, and a fighter, so he should be able to use every weapon available to him and be really good at it. Even better because he is a paladin.

I understand most bard guilds have a lack of canon so they participate in other artistic endeavors to compensate, but really IMHO paintings..?
Aison2008-07-22 15:48:00
QUOTE(Alacardael! @ Jul 18 2008, 12:19 AM) 534870
Aren't you the ones that bring gloom and doom to Celest? tongue.gif


That isn't me... noway.gif