Jigan2008-07-04 15:42:46
Shiri hurts my feeling. His hatred for all that is fluffy and pue hurt me.
Karnagan2008-07-04 15:45:28
QUOTE(Shiri @ Jul 4 2008, 11:36 AM) 528653
I'll let newbie bandwagoning go this time because people don't necessarily know why these conventions developed. Any other suggestions?
You have to pardon me for suggesting that this quote made it look like you didn't think our current bandwagon style was a good idea. We're not aiming to lynch you, as you probably know, but the whole point to these things is to see what people say and probably gauge why they say it. Jigan is playing silly buggers, probably without some of the pieces, and Casilu's guilt seems to hinge around a single sentence. By contrast, your defense against the bandwagon is looking a little flimsy,
QUOTE(Shiri @ Jul 4 2008, 01:05 PM) 528667
Also, you confused me with "you're already at 10 of 13 so the objective has been reached: get a plausible reason not to lynch Shiri." What are you referring to here? Is the fact I'm at 10/13 votes a reason not to lynch me?
I had hoped you knew, and I suspect you do know. When we push someone up to the edge, we see them find a good reason to say they're not a suspect, or perhaps even get a plausible roleclaim to get out of their situation. The fact you're at 10/13 means you shouldn't get more lynch votes, but if you keep being evasive about your purpose besides the cryptic hint that we're "sadly misguided," then I think this lynch train is going to be pulling into the station.
QUOTE(Shiri @ Jul 4 2008, 01:07 PM) 528669
Getting an implausible roleclaim out of people a la Daganev is in fact part of the point of forcing people to roleclaim, but you still don't try to do that on day 1 - it's just that if someone comes up suspicious in the course of discussion and everyone changes to them, their roleclaim when you go for it will deter or cement it. You're not necessarily supposed to get one out of the randomly voted patsy!
Yes, fair enough, except that almost half the town is pushing on you, and not all these people are newbies. There's no one really MORE suspicious than you right now, and as a general rule when you see someone switch defense styles to get out of a lynch, that in itself is a cause for concern.
Exeryte2008-07-04 15:48:51
QUOTE(rika @ Jul 4 2008, 02:24 AM) 528620
FOS: Visaeris because of forum invisible. I don't care if you admit to it, it's still a scummy tactic.
There isn't anything wrong with forum invisible. Quite often, I'll start posting and have to go back to double-check something. If I didn't have invisible on, I'm sure some people (like you) would jump at my throat for doing so.
Unknown2008-07-04 15:54:27
QUOTE(Exeryte @ Jul 4 2008, 08:37 AM) 528668
It seems like this random bandwagon started because Shiri has had pro-town roles in the past, so he MUST be a Care Bear this time around. But that might be because it's hard to imagine Shiri as Mafia/Care Bear.
The bandwagon was because I saw him vote for me and then delete the post cause the game hadn't started.
All things being equal he was as good a place to start as any.
Shiri2008-07-04 15:56:41
I don't know how I'm supposed to have "switched defence styles" when no one was making suspicious comments initially, and then...they were. Look right back to the start. I pointed out Casilu right after she started, I think, and then while I was thinking about it Jigan occured to me.
Anyway, in case the scum do decide to lynch me in my sleep for whatever dubious reasons they may have, I suppose I'd better break out the role and make sure we don't do it to people again without a good reason.
I am Habbitt, a rabbit and not a pony apparently (but I on the pony's side and live in ponyland. Not sure if there are any other non-pony talking animals on our side, having never watched the cartoon, but I am open to the possibility.) I can give people irresistible invitations to "Paradise Estates", which is apparently the pony resting-place, and in which they will go to sleep instead of whatever else they were planning on doing that night (U-rated or otherwise!)
Not a cop or doctor, but important enough for the scum to want to remove in case I somehow grab hold of their identities, so I might not make it through the night.
Suggested targets are still Jigan and Casilu's "intuition."
Anyway, in case the scum do decide to lynch me in my sleep for whatever dubious reasons they may have, I suppose I'd better break out the role and make sure we don't do it to people again without a good reason.
I am Habbitt, a rabbit and not a pony apparently (but I on the pony's side and live in ponyland. Not sure if there are any other non-pony talking animals on our side, having never watched the cartoon, but I am open to the possibility.) I can give people irresistible invitations to "Paradise Estates", which is apparently the pony resting-place, and in which they will go to sleep instead of whatever else they were planning on doing that night (U-rated or otherwise!)
Not a cop or doctor, but important enough for the scum to want to remove in case I somehow grab hold of their identities, so I might not make it through the night.
Suggested targets are still Jigan and Casilu's "intuition."
Exeryte2008-07-04 15:56:46
That was my bad, Visaeris. I didn't feel like completely reading five pages posts, especially since there will be no evidence to go by on the first day.
And Karnagan, don't try to make everyone believe Shiri is suspicious for being the target of a bandwagon. Most people would be hesitant to share their role in his position.
And Karnagan, don't try to make everyone believe Shiri is suspicious for being the target of a bandwagon. Most people would be hesitant to share their role in his position.
Unknown2008-07-04 16:00:19
QUOTE(Shiri @ Jul 4 2008, 08:56 AM) 528679
I am Habbitt, a rabbit and not a pony apparently (but I on the pony's side and live in ponyland. Not sure if there are any other non-pony talking animals on our side, having never watched the cartoon, but I am open to the possibility.) I can give people irresistible invitations to "Paradise Estates", which is apparently the pony resting-place, and in which they will go to sleep instead of whatever else they were planning on doing that night (U-rated or otherwise!)
This satisfies me. Also, don't mind Karnagan. If you followed the last game you've realised that his posting style is all flash and no bang. It's just empty rhetoric and absolutely *horrid* logic(as Xenthos pointed out towards the end).
Unvote Shiri
Vote Casilu
A real pony doesn't intuit anything!
Jigan2008-07-04 16:02:17
I still focus on the Great Deceiver and Hate Mongerer, Shiri, the Unfluffykins. You must be removed for the greater good.
Shiri2008-07-04 16:04:20
QUOTE(Visaeris Maeloch @ Jul 4 2008, 05:00 PM) 528682
This satisfies me. Also, don't mind Karnagan. If you followed the last game you've realised that his posting style is all flash and no bang. It's just empty rhetoric and absolutely *horrid* logic(as Xenthos pointed out towards the end).
Unvote Shiri
Vote Casilu
A real pony doesn't intuit anything!
Unvote Shiri
Vote Casilu
A real pony doesn't intuit anything!
I didn't follow the last game closely, I skimmed it but couldn't maintain much interest since I died night 1. I suppose I will have to now. Do you think it worked in everyone's favour there, or was it the ninjakari reveal that did most of the work? I can imagine using horrible logic in a particularly aggressive posting style to be quite counterproductive for the town (though I can't condemn going on the offence in general since I do it all the time.)
First though, bedtime. I'll review the thread in the morning.
Shiri2008-07-04 16:06:22
QUOTE(Jigan @ Jul 4 2008, 05:02 PM) 528684
I still focus on the Great Deceiver and Hate Mongerer, Shiri, the Unfluffykins. You must be removed for the greater good.
Knowing that Shamarah thinks jesters are retarded...this kind of dubious response to a roleclaim like that (if you don't believe it, you better explain why) combined with your responses from earlier in the thread has forced me to change my priorities!
Unvote: Casilu (sorry Visaeris) Vote: Jigan.
Explain your reasoning better!
Night!
Karnagan2008-07-04 16:06:41
Oh, Visaeris, you're just jealous. I laid out a pretty nice path as to how a Mafia WOULD vote, or not vote as the case may be, and then everyone we launched takedowns against turned out to share critical votes with you. One's beginner's luck, two MIGHT be coincidence, but you can't really argue with as many results as I got. I suppose you're pretty happy that you don't have to stick your neck out to get it strung up again, but there's no reason to get snippy about it.
Shiri's given me something plausible, especially as it took me about five minutes of googling to figure out what a Habbit WAS, thank you very much automatic spell checker, so we're stuck back where we started. Now that such has happened, let's smack around Casilu, being the next most visible of the suspicious Aloysius crowd.
UNVOTE: Shiri
VOTE:Casilu
Shiri's given me something plausible, especially as it took me about five minutes of googling to figure out what a Habbit WAS, thank you very much automatic spell checker, so we're stuck back where we started. Now that such has happened, let's smack around Casilu, being the next most visible of the suspicious Aloysius crowd.
UNVOTE: Shiri
VOTE:Casilu
Karnagan2008-07-04 16:07:20
Grrrrr. I wish it was nice to make a swear in Ponytown.
UNVOTE: Shiri
VOTE: Casilu
UNVOTE: Shiri
VOTE: Casilu
Exeryte2008-07-04 16:11:39
Vote: Jigan
His posts have absolutely no substance, and his response was very "dubious," as Shiri put it.
His posts have absolutely no substance, and his response was very "dubious," as Shiri put it.
Jigan2008-07-04 16:14:03
I explained it quite well, Shiri.
You are using your knowledge of the game to offer newbies information in return for protection, while at the same time, trying to make people get angry enough to quit (As an added bonus I do believe.) This sounds like witchy behavior, using someone else as a shield and only making people angry to leave rather than have everyone else help you lynch them.
Everything else is mainly just different ways to show others that you lack the fluffyness required to be either Carebear or My Little Pony.
You are using your knowledge of the game to offer newbies information in return for protection, while at the same time, trying to make people get angry enough to quit (As an added bonus I do believe.) This sounds like witchy behavior, using someone else as a shield and only making people angry to leave rather than have everyone else help you lynch them.
Everything else is mainly just different ways to show others that you lack the fluffyness required to be either Carebear or My Little Pony.
Karnagan2008-07-04 16:21:02
Jigan, just because someone doesn't post in a nice style, doesn't mean they're necessarily going to be bad people. Given that this is a Shamarah game, there's going to be lots of decent roles for townies, and so far no one's poked their head up with a similar "roleblocking" style role as Shiri. While making fun of him is cute, I don't really think it's going to serve us well in making a GOOD lynch, as opposed to just a lynch for a lynch's sake.
Help us out with Casilu, and let's see if we can get another good bandwagon going, eh?
Help us out with Casilu, and let's see if we can get another good bandwagon going, eh?
Jigan2008-07-04 16:27:33
Ah, righto.
Unvote: Shiri
Vote: Casilu
Unvote: Shiri
Vote: Casilu
Unknown2008-07-04 16:49:28
DREAM CASTLE VISAERIS & SHIRI
Unknown2008-07-04 16:54:29
QUOTE(B_a_L_i @ Jul 4 2008, 09:49 AM) 528698
DREAM CASTLE VISAERIS & SHIRI
Oh Balizar.
Anyways, as far as Jigan goes, just something to keep in mind is that he's never played mafia before and I had to drag him into this.
So, he's total newb. (And a bit mentally unbalanced either way)
Shayle2008-07-04 16:55:32
Ew. I don't like how this game is shaping up already.
Reading through the posts, I'm already feeling really uneasy about a few people, though specifically Karnagan, Jigan, and Visaeris.
Visaeris' proclamation of how he's finally not scum is rather bizarre. Why do that? Why call that kind of attention to yourself at all? If you're telling the truth, aren't you now a night target? It seems strange, Vis: FOS: Visaeris
Jigan needs to stop with his google eyes and blind following of Karnagan. Leaping on bandwagons and pushing for lynches of people who have made reasonable roleclams on Day 1 is pushing the limits of sketchy behavior, even for a newbie to the game. FOS: Jigan
But the person I think is most disturbing this far is Karnagan, who is painfully arrogant, very aggressive in his postings, posting a lot of jibberish, and able to change Jigan's vote with ease. Hi. I think you're scummy. Vote: Karnagan
Reading through the posts, I'm already feeling really uneasy about a few people, though specifically Karnagan, Jigan, and Visaeris.
Visaeris' proclamation of how he's finally not scum is rather bizarre. Why do that? Why call that kind of attention to yourself at all? If you're telling the truth, aren't you now a night target? It seems strange, Vis: FOS: Visaeris
Jigan needs to stop with his google eyes and blind following of Karnagan. Leaping on bandwagons and pushing for lynches of people who have made reasonable roleclams on Day 1 is pushing the limits of sketchy behavior, even for a newbie to the game. FOS: Jigan
But the person I think is most disturbing this far is Karnagan, who is painfully arrogant, very aggressive in his postings, posting a lot of jibberish, and able to change Jigan's vote with ease. Hi. I think you're scummy. Vote: Karnagan
Unknown2008-07-04 16:56:41
Interesting skill, and it sounds good enough for me.
Unvote: Shiri
Vote: Casilu
As good a person to place bandwagon pressure on as any. I still remember her amazing innocent-scum play a few games back.
Unvote: Shiri
Vote: Casilu
As good a person to place bandwagon pressure on as any. I still remember her amazing innocent-scum play a few games back.